Builders *****
Feb 10th 2006, 10:43 am
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Originally Posted by fraser
It's theirs, they've ballsed it up by booking the concreters in the same day as the termite company, the concreters always start really early.
What makes me laugh is that if I hadn't worked for the company that does the collars I wouldn't have known.
Our site manager's job is to liase with us and he's supposed to be contactable between 8am and 5pm. So we've told him they weren't there and today he knows nothing about it ands do you know why? It's because he presumed we didn't know what we were talking about and didn't see them so he ignored our message.
Hence him saying to Rachel this morning they are there you just can't see them
What makes me laugh is that if I hadn't worked for the company that does the collars I wouldn't have known.
Our site manager's job is to liase with us and he's supposed to be contactable between 8am and 5pm. So we've told him they weren't there and today he knows nothing about it ands do you know why? It's because he presumed we didn't know what we were talking about and didn't see them so he ignored our message.
Hence him saying to Rachel this morning they are there you just can't see them
Feb 10th 2006, 10:46 am
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Originally Posted by arkon
Out of curiosity what do the collars look like and where do they go and why do they claim they stop termites and if you can could you put a picture of one on here so I know what to look for when I'm building. Thanks Fraser.
Feb 10th 2006, 11:02 am
#48
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Originally Posted by fraser
Their response
have spoken to the concretor, Termgard and your supervsor to determine what has happened and feel very confident in advising that the termite tretment "Part A" to your house is in hand. Termgard have advised that their sub contractors can have their workload affected by weather and the odd job can be missed prior to the slab being poured.
The sub contractor did manage to get to site this morning and placed 5 collars on penetrations. They have advised that the remainder of the penetrations will be term sealed in the near future, that date is to be determined by Porter Davis and Termgard. All work will be done in accordance with Australian Standards and a Part A termite treatment certificate will be issued to the relevent Building Surveyor on completion.
I'm sure that the technical detils do not need to be discussed at length as I am informed that you worked with Termgard for a period and would be well aware of the specific requirements. However for your peace of mind, the remainder of the penetrations will be termsealed. This is a synthetic barrier which prevents water and termite penetration. It is applied by brush over a fibre glass bandage, it has a 25 year guarantee and is a common termite treatment.
A certificte of occupancy cannot be issued without the treatment being carried out and certificates in place. Rest assured that these works will be done during the course of next week.
My reply
In answer to your email we were told we would get collars on all pipes when we signed our contracts unfortunately this isn't going to be the case, you may have filled your contractual obligation by using the other method but you haven't gave us the protection which we were promised.
I know there is no way the weather could have stopped Termgard doing the job as it's just solvent welding and a bit of bolt cutting.
But the resposibility lies with the concretor as they poured knowing that the collars weren't there and ultimately with you as it's your build and you who we are paying.
I'm far from satisfied and will be extra vigilant in future to make sure that everything is done properly.
have spoken to the concretor, Termgard and your supervsor to determine what has happened and feel very confident in advising that the termite tretment "Part A" to your house is in hand. Termgard have advised that their sub contractors can have their workload affected by weather and the odd job can be missed prior to the slab being poured.
The sub contractor did manage to get to site this morning and placed 5 collars on penetrations. They have advised that the remainder of the penetrations will be term sealed in the near future, that date is to be determined by Porter Davis and Termgard. All work will be done in accordance with Australian Standards and a Part A termite treatment certificate will be issued to the relevent Building Surveyor on completion.
I'm sure that the technical detils do not need to be discussed at length as I am informed that you worked with Termgard for a period and would be well aware of the specific requirements. However for your peace of mind, the remainder of the penetrations will be termsealed. This is a synthetic barrier which prevents water and termite penetration. It is applied by brush over a fibre glass bandage, it has a 25 year guarantee and is a common termite treatment.
A certificte of occupancy cannot be issued without the treatment being carried out and certificates in place. Rest assured that these works will be done during the course of next week.
My reply
In answer to your email we were told we would get collars on all pipes when we signed our contracts unfortunately this isn't going to be the case, you may have filled your contractual obligation by using the other method but you haven't gave us the protection which we were promised.
I know there is no way the weather could have stopped Termgard doing the job as it's just solvent welding and a bit of bolt cutting.
But the resposibility lies with the concretor as they poured knowing that the collars weren't there and ultimately with you as it's your build and you who we are paying.
I'm far from satisfied and will be extra vigilant in future to make sure that everything is done properly.
who is the certifier, speak to them... they hold the most over the builder after you....!?!
Feb 10th 2006, 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by jjonboy
who is the certifier, speak to them... they hold the most over the builder after you....!?!
Feb 10th 2006, 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
Just one of many reasons to buy established instead of building. 
Fraser look on the bright side....at least the concreters turned up!! Thats not a bad effort from where I'm sitting....
Feb 10th 2006, 12:11 pm
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Originally Posted by arkon
It sounds like if you buy established though there is a good chance it was built in a shoddy and un-termite protected way and you wouldn't know anything about it until your large investment got turned into lunch for some little critter. Sounds to me like the only safe way to buy a house out here is to have it built and make sure your onsite every day to keep an eye on them.
Fraser look on the bright side....at least the concreters turned up!! Thats not a bad effort from where I'm sitting....
Fraser look on the bright side....at least the concreters turned up!! Thats not a bad effort from where I'm sitting....
Kevin
Feb 10th 2006, 12:17 pm
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GO FRASER GO FRASER you keep onto the bastards
Feb 10th 2006, 8:52 pm
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Originally Posted by biggy
GO FRASER GO FRASER you keep onto the bastards
Feb 10th 2006, 9:08 pm
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Originally Posted by kevinl
Exactly my worry.
Kevin
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This reminds me make sure when your house is going up that the builders leave the slab exposed all the way around. They tend to put paths etc in next to the house and cover up the edge of the slab making it impossible to check for invasion.
Feb 10th 2006, 9:55 pm
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This is the product they say they are going to use now my reading of it is that the collars are needed to make the seal fully effective.
TERM-seal is a new and innovative product developed for all termite and damp-proofing solutions. They are non-toxic and developed from inorganic compounds that come together to create a new and exciting method of termite management and waterproofing.
TERM-seal Products are completely unpalatable to termites and come with a 20 year product warranty.
The TERM-seal Multi-Purpose compound used in conjunction with FRM or 'Fibre Reinforced Membrane' (which is a specialised construction fabric treated with a TERM-seal compound) and TERM-seal penetration collars, create a complete physical, non-toxic termite resistant and damp-proof barrier (and/or dampcourse) to concrete slabs and masonry block constructions.
TERM-seal is a new and innovative product developed for all termite and damp-proofing solutions. They are non-toxic and developed from inorganic compounds that come together to create a new and exciting method of termite management and waterproofing.
TERM-seal Products are completely unpalatable to termites and come with a 20 year product warranty.
The TERM-seal Multi-Purpose compound used in conjunction with FRM or 'Fibre Reinforced Membrane' (which is a specialised construction fabric treated with a TERM-seal compound) and TERM-seal penetration collars, create a complete physical, non-toxic termite resistant and damp-proof barrier (and/or dampcourse) to concrete slabs and masonry block constructions.
Feb 10th 2006, 11:20 pm
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Originally Posted by fraser
I have no idea, but as long as they do enough to get the certificate I don't see how I have a leg to stand on as it says termite protection and doesn't specify collars.
Feb 11th 2006, 4:57 am
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Sounds like you guys are in need of the superam.Best builder in the northern hemisphere, soon to conquer the south.( if I could just get me bloody visa)!!
Feb 11th 2006, 5:01 am
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This all seems rather overkill for a tent.
Feb 11th 2006, 5:23 am
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Originally Posted by Bix
This all seems rather overkill for a tent.
Feb 13th 2006, 3:00 am
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Here's the reply from termseal and basically what they're doing for us is a make do solution after the stable door has been left open.
Dear Fraser,
The TERM-seal Plasticollar method is the preferred and best solution for resistance to termite entry through slab penetrations. TERM-seal has approved alternative methods when our plasticollars cannot be used. For example if the slab has been poured before the builder advises the installer that the job is ready for treatment, or when the penetration is too close to formwork or other obstacles. Or where the penetration size is other than that which we supply collars for, for example ceramic pipes.
Dear Fraser,
The TERM-seal Plasticollar method is the preferred and best solution for resistance to termite entry through slab penetrations. TERM-seal has approved alternative methods when our plasticollars cannot be used. For example if the slab has been poured before the builder advises the installer that the job is ready for treatment, or when the penetration is too close to formwork or other obstacles. Or where the penetration size is other than that which we supply collars for, for example ceramic pipes.