Beoz

Nonsense. The Dept of Employment lists many shortages. Especially in engineering. What a lie.

So either these taxi drivers are not engineers or they are just useless and unemployable as engineers in Australia. As someone who hires engineers, and has a shortage, I would not touch a Perth taxi driver with a barge pole. Let the companies decide who they need to migrate, not the government

the troubadour

Indeed not. Companies would go with 457's and unnecessary imports for own convenience. Government is elected to run the nation on behalf of the people, though they make a poor fist of it, and by the way would companies pay the welfare payments in time of laying of workers during slack? More likely rely on more socialist welfare from tax payers rather than delve into profits. I suppose a Perth taxi driver, with an engineering degree would not in fact be in that position if not for the likes of people like you in the first place. We have an excess of engineers so you should be redundant if that is your position. Not long ago you stated it was getting money of corporates.

Beoz

You aren't listening. Not all engineers have the same qualities. You need to get out more and look at real life beyond the stats google throws up for you.

Or perhaps listen to someone close to the coal face .... me.

the troubadour

It's you that needs a look at real life and get a feel what the narrative of the population out there. If you bother to open your eyes and not remain stuck in the quick sand of your flawed ideology, you may well be shocked at the complete opposition and growing anger in the community.


You at the coal face? Give me a break. The applause of declining living standards suggests you are more likely very far underground ...not on the face. Time to surface for air.

Beoz

Can you show me this anger? From what I see on here its just you on your own.

the troubadour

I'm beginning to wonder if you really live in Sydney? Or if do work from home and don't have to navigate the bottle neck in traffic, the strain of other existing infrastructure like schools and hospitals. I do understand you have not been in the country, probably long enough to fully comprehend the changes undertaken but still ignorance is hardly always the best line in defence.


I agree the media by and large keep it under wraps. They would considering whom they are cheer leaders for. But even conservative commentators have recently broken rank.
Well before your time, but I recall Carr, when Premier declaring Sydney was a 'full city' back in the nineties. Of course he went onto to become Foreign Minister as no further word said.


You Boez, never address any or few of the examples raised, stonewalling any chance of a debate, not too dissimilar from government or a low/middle ranking member of management. That being repeating the same message constantly. Do not altar the script. Ignore 'difficult' questions. Pick up on anything that could be turned into an advantage. Disregard the rest. Attempt to isolate by pointing out populist support sentiment as being confirmation of the path of righteousness.


Thing being you are' blowing in the wind', there is no labour shortage, at least nothing that requires record immigration levels as per post one.

Beoz

Yes very new. Lived in Oz for most of the 90's. Then again in the 10's. Gave Oz a wide berth in the 00's whilst the UK was serving up the money.

You live in Perth. The home of the money chaser. I guess it doesn't work so well for a government worker.

I address your topic. If you claim about immigration is false, and is proven to be so, no need to cry.

Bob Carr was and still is a joke. He destroyed NSW at the time. Its taken a lot of slog to get it back on track.

Yes definately reside in Sydney. I work from home on odd occasions, from the office at other times where I drive and park in the city, but first and foremost I spend my time with clients because they hold the money that I am trying to help them spend. That's why we work first and foremost right?

the troubadour

Carr a joke for who? You? Of course having most migrants head for Sydney, as Melbourne was far less known in those times, was no good thing and result in falling living standards as we witness today. Back on track?, you are seriously deluded if you consider record immigration is being back on track, and its main cause keeping the housing inflation on the boil. and even failing at that. The stagnation of wages, and inability of the average Sydneysider to afford the life widely available to the vast majority of its inhabitants of the seventies and eighties and part of the nineties is a big fail. For you, but far more importantly for Sydney.

Beoz

The 70's and 80's. Yeah. 18% interest rates. Great fun.

No need to get upset sport, just because you want to live in inner Sydney but can't.

My former business partner, now retired, born and bred in working class Paddignton at the time, had to buy his first family home in the Sutherland Shire in the 70's, not through want but because of affordability.

40+ years on, nothing changes.

If you so desperately want to live in Sydney but feel you cannot afford the house, move out a little.

Your gripe is not original. Its been the best part of a century since the working class like yourself has been able to live in inner Sydney.

the troubadour

If you were au fait with what you are writing you would recognise one very big difference. In the seventies and eighties houses were affordable for most working people. Interest rates were high for a period, but you may check out how many foreclosures resulted. Very few. House prices were low by international standards. Those days Brit's could sell up over there, and if from anywhere half decent, could purchase cash with change left over a house in OZ. The may also chose to research the ratio of earnings to house costs. A very, very different proposition from today.


Australia has among the most expensive housing in the world, as you'd have learnt by now and interest rates are to quite an extent at the mercy of that, regardless of the impact of other sides of the economy.


Hence, it is far removed from forty years ago, and the gripe as you refer to it, is very much of out times. Do a bit of research, and 'sport, no I don't particularly want to live in inner city. There are plenty of European cities with tons more 'elan' and interesting I'm afraid than your conclusion that Sydney, judged to be boring by some, is the centre of the universe.


I expect your kicking yourself because you didn't go for Perth....

Beoz

Income to serviceability is where you want to focus your ratios. Still 30% on average. No different to the 80's. And whilst it might have expensive real estate on a global currency calculation, you are always forgetting how much we earn in comparison to other countries.

Speaking of foreclosures. I bet you weren't aware NSW has the lowest rate behind the ACT in Australia. Western Australia has the highest.

Oh diddums. You are so out of touch with NSW again. Its nice not being one of those sandgropers struggling with their WA mortgage.

the troubadour

No I forget nothing. The average Australian personal debt is among the highest, frightening high, in the world. Not the case in the seventies and eighties when real estate in Australia was cheap on a global level . No comparison.


You really shouldn't bet against me. You'll be left in nothing but the thread your clothed in. I know very well the state of WA housing economy I saw the crash occur from Kimberley advantage point.


The strain must be barely enduring having such a mortgage in a falling climate in such an exposed over inflated city.


Although having debt can't be a lot of fun anywhere with things the way they are. Those punters up north of WA certainly got severely burnt when rents collapsed. But too many never learn.

Beoz

Isn't it funny. Core Logic says Sydney prices have risen 1% over the past 12 months but my suburb has now risen 11%. Must be some suburbs out west dragging it all down.

This is what happens when you buy in areas that are in demand where the surrounding economy is filled with diversity.

A very far cry from a WA mining town or even Perth where the logo's on the towers read Rio Tinto or Woodside. Your one trick pony doesn't apply to the rest of Australia.

the troubadour

It just means the fall will be that much greater and greater chance of being clean bowled due to the misconception of invincibility.


No argument from me about Perth being too much a one track pony. I was saying as much when all around me considered the boom was ever lasting.

Beoz

And as I have told you before, buying a house has its risks. How many home owners are there around the world exposed to such risks?

And as I have told you before you have judge your risks. Which market would you prefer your long term property money sitting. Well there's really only 2 choices. Sydney or Melbourne. Everywhere else sees wild fluctuations.

And again, as I have told you, healthy deposit means small mortgage which means lots of disposable income.

And again, rate increases. Well as the Gov says. "We will only see a rate increase when inflation increases and that will only happen when wages rise". See its a nil nil gain or loss.

And when you are sitting in the state with the most progressive government, lowest jobless rate, second lowest default rate, life is good, well over here anyway.

Cheer up. Time for some type of self imposed change for you. Stop blaming others.