the troubadour

Well someone had better have a handle on what they are doing/saying considering the state this nation is evolving into.


So done anything akin to market testing? So many companies consider it perfectly kosher to recruit directly overseas. Worse they get away with it and pay below the initial agreed minimum.


At least you should have little difficulty assessing the services of an international hairdresser. Colleges here churning them out by the bucket loads several years ago. Oh wait, I wonder if they have moved on to bus driving, Taxi driving , security work, super market check out operators and trolley collectors?

Beoz

Yes. Government policy brought in by left wing, narrow minded policy. Anyway thats the way they operate. Please a few to wreck it for many.

When you want to have a meaningful discussion feel free to contribute. Bye for now.

Beoz

In many cases its better to hire from abroad and its not pay related. Its all about quality and you would rather pay more for the pleasure.

And quality breeds quality within. This is not something you can train (see your university thread). You need to be around the right people to learn. In many skilled cases these cannot be found in Australia. If we stop the skilled people coming from abroad, who are the locals going to learn from?

the troubadour

I have clearly stated keeping costs down is but one reason, although an important one. Recruiting from abroad, saves on training but more or less confirms a passive employee for a number of years.


The system benefits perhaps the employee (if treated accordingly, some does end in tears and ill treatment) but not necessary a gain for Australian workers being over looked, often with no market testing to gauge if suitable candidate on tap within the country.


Happy to see you have a HR on the ball apparently in your place of employment.

Beoz

Training is very different to experience. For example, all the infrastructure building going on the east coast.

Very difficult to find people with such experience in Oz. Take underground metro projects. Its been a long time since underground systems have been built in Australia, if at all. They are being built all the time in Europe. You can't train that type of knowledge in some type of classroom course. You need people with experience to take charge, to avoid costly to tax payers and dangerous mistakes.

Without bringing in the experts from abroad, and surrounding the locals with experience, learning won't happen.

The procedures are well in place now to prevent even the needed skills coming into the country thanks to the shallow thinking left wingers.

the troubadour

I'm afraid I have heard all the arguments on both sides. The fact remains the boom has passed. Immigration has in many ways been the saviour of Australia and I refer to far more than economic terms. This would be a far duller, less colourful and frankly boring country without the input of migrants from a diverse range of countries and cultures.


But the present policy runs the great danger of overload. Boom times are gone. The fact is we do not need to run record migration numbers in the insane race for a Big Australia. That runs a great risk of the tide turning against all migration at some stage as more Australians find it ever harder and the blame game takes root.


A return to normal numbers of 70,000 to 100,000 should offer little resistance apart from rent seekers with self interest in keeping numbers higher than necessary for own gain.

Beoz

Maybe you should address this with your local state MP. This very much appears to be "your" WA bone to pick.

Or better still. Relocate east.

The moaning about your job gripes will likely cease.

the troubadour

Irrelevant post to subject under discussion. Perhaps you could explain the need for record immigration in post boom times?


Actually it is not particularly WA related, with migrant numbers to this state well down.


You may prefer to stay with OP quarries than go off track on your own tantrum with meaningless posts in order not to sabotage yet another thread.

Beoz

Its not post boom times over here. Definitely in WA.

Does that not make sense?

You rely on mining and resources.

We rely on finance, services, construction, etc

We are in boom time.

Look at the graph closely. You will notice the rise in 2013 and the bulk of that is WA mining and resources related.

WA has now disappeared from radar and we are booming over here.

the troubadour

Forget the 'faux 'stuff. Even the Tory/Libs have clambered aboard the true nature of the population Ponzi story, presently destroying the nation.


None other than Tony Abbott in person, who said the result of the Newpoll result, suggest Lib's can win next election if sharpen your policy against ALP. Besides the usual spray against Greens running Social Policy and Unions economic, the ever evident reptilian characteristics well out in form,
Tony Abbott went on to state, " Quite Substantial Reduction In The Immigration Intake Is Needed, As It is Choking Our Cities"


Hang the business and real estate and financial lobby. This is about winning. They know full well the impact of record immigration on infrastructure on living standards and on employment security. They know the impact on anything resembling affordable housing .......


Hey Beoz what 's your answer to that.

Beoz

You see, Tony Abbott is a shrewd man. The only way a man with the charismatic qualities of a peanut continues to be heard.

Why is he shrewd? Lets go after immigration and pitch it against the "choke of a city". That will surely get the votes from those stuck in the traffic on Military Road (Australia's most congested road) back to the Insular Peninsula (Tony's where Tony is the sitting MP). And of course Tony leans to the right and immigration is always on that agenda.

You should have the decency to post and quote the articles you are ripping off. https://www.4bc.com.au/tony-abbott-m...next-election/

Tony knows very well that his constituency is getting a tunnel and the woes of Military Road will be no more. Forget the road tunnel - They need a train up there. Western Harbour Tunnel & Beaches Link - Sydney North - Projects - Roads and Maritime Services

Tony has not really dug deep enough on 3 topics here.

Firstly, Tony hasn't talked about it what type of immigration. He's just spoken about immigration in general. There are many types. We need to be careful where we cut back and where we expand.

Secondly, Tony is overlooking is where house price growth has come from. Its not immigration. Its low interest rates. Everyone knows that.

And Thirdly, boosting wages is irrelevant if inflation goes with it. Nil Nil Net gain so who cares about wages growth.

You are both a bit late to the party of the first home buyer things.

Already been addressed and the first home buyer is back in Sydney.

Beoz

Well how uncanny. Look what's just appeared on the front page.

This journo must have been reading BE and my rebuttal of your doom and gloom.

The infrastructure boom cometh

even while some of the city’s citizens tire of cranes and road diversions. NSW, the richest state, the one with the markedly lower unemployment rate, continues to dominate the investment, entering a virtuous cycle of growth funding the spending that spurs the growth to pay for the spending.

the troubadour

So jumping ship now from the right wing of the Tory/Lieberals to ALP or Greens position on approving an ever bigger Australia.


While the state sponsored move to finally getting the infrastructure ball rolling, it is very late in the day. Of course without record numbers entering per year the crisis wouldn't have got so out of hand.


Turnbull of course is a Big Australia man claiming the nation will lapse into poverty or words similar, so very interesting Abbott has jumped on the populist bandwagon. Probably took some wind out of the sails of One Nation, if they had thoughts of running with a reduced immigration policy.


Anyway time for an honest debate on immigration, if that word can indeed be applied to anything of political persuasion these days.


Interesting to note Australia is tearing ahead in developing world population growth since 2003.


Australia's population increased by a whopping 24% between 03 and 16.


USA....12%
UK......11%
Can......15%
Ire........18%




In twelve years Melbourne has expanded by 1.1 million people. That is a 30% population increase, Insane.
Over the same period Sydney, has gone up 845,000 or 20%....


Change I believe is on the way regardless of the government, real estate, banking, migration lobbyists wanting the continuation even increasing....


While we are at it, one may wonder just why there are more permanent skilled labour entering the country yearly (128,000) during a time of stagnant wages and massive un/under employed than the (113,000) a year at the height of the resource boom?


Abbott's on to something and being the ever populist knows it.

Beoz

See post 41. That should help with your question.

Australia is bigger than just WA.

the troubadour

Well down swotting up on geographic locations. Indeed Australia is bigger than WA.


Now Melbourne had a thirty per cent population growth over twelve years because of.....you weren't very in stating reasons. Sydney at twenty per cent we know because it is basically unaffordable...


Australia requires the biggest population growth in the developed world because.......your response is inaudible.