Australian military 'to recruit British troops laid-off in UK cuts'
Dec 31st 2011, 1:16 pm
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Re: Australian military 'to recruit British troops laid-off in UK cuts'
I assume you reported that there had been porn attached? Being in HR you should surely be aware that emails do come through at times with attachments that do not belong there. I deal daily with ADF staff and have known several of them for years. I can assure you that either it was an undetected virus or something of the same ilk, and rather than just telling people to take care when opening emails the ADF should be informed in case it happens again.
Dec 31st 2011, 1:18 pm
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Dec 31st 2011, 10:54 pm
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Re: Australian military 'to recruit British troops laid-off in UK cuts'
I assume you reported that there had been porn attached? Being in HR you should surely be aware that emails do come through at times with attachments that do not belong there. I deal daily with ADF staff and have known several of them for years. I can assure you that either it was an undetected virus or something of the same ilk, and rather than just telling people to take care when opening emails the ADF should be informed in case it happens again.
There were a number of issues with the way they dealt with my husband, which I don't want to go into here, but I have gone into with a senior officer in the ADF in the UK, when I got fed up with it and complained. Prior to making a complaint, I had emailed the recruiter about one of the problems/issues on a number of occasions, and my emails were ignored, and then the problem repeated. Had this happened with one of my teams, while the original problem could have been seen as a mistake/human error and there would have been an immediate apology made to the affected candidates, to repeat it after having the issue highlighted, would have resulted in a disciplinary hearing, the most likely outcome then being a formal written warning.
From a candidate's point of view it is very difficult, when you are applying for roles, to know who to complain to when things like this happen. Normally you would complain to the person's boss (as a first step), but when the letter with the dubious content attached came via the recruiter from their boss, what do you do then? You don't know who it has come from. Yes you could then go higher, but finding out who to go to when you are not in the military yourself (and you tend to find that the military are not happy to give out names of senior officers to civilians), is a little difficult. You also know that if you get marked as someone who will complain, you will be rejected (which did happen to my husband, despite the fact that it was me who complained). While this has never happened where I have worked, I have known of it with colleagues in other companies who have said that their managers will reject anyone seen as a potential troublemaker or who complains about the way they go about their recruitment.
I did take advice from a Senior HR Manager (a close friend) about the email and her opinion matched mine. In these sort of cases the first thing you ask for if someone approaches you with a complaint like this, is the evidence. My husband deleted it straight away precisely to stop me going formal as I was still hitting the roof about it a couple of days afterwards. He didn't believe me when I told him on the phone about it and it was only when he came home and saw it that he believed me. He thought I was joking (it does sound a little unlikely you have to admit). I know little if anything about IT (not my specialist area) so I don't know if it would still be on their computers. All I know is that we don't still have it and you cannot investigate an allegation if there is no evidence to back it up.
Finally, we have very strong and effective virus scanners on our computer, and it was not picked up by them. That may mean something, it may not. Viruses can get through but we haven't found one yet that has (we are on a MAC not a PC so don't have the Windows problems). Also, I understand that in the UK Forces, all emails are scanned for viruses and have to clear a firewall before they go out. I would assume (perhaps wrongly) that this would happen in Australia? Again, not an IT bod and no contacts in the ADF so I wouldn't know. Could it be attached en-route after leaving their computer and before reaching ours? Don't know.
I do apologise if I have upset anyone by posting this. It was not my intention and I'm not trying to cause trouble. I did complain about the way the recruiter behaved. Whether anything was done, I don't know. I'm not really interested, it is none of my business. However, I would say that had my husband received an offer from the ADF, after the way they behaved during the recruitment process, I would have been strongly pressuring him to turn it down. As far as the offensive email goes, I would hate any other young children to see what I and my son saw. Thus the warning.
Dec 31st 2011, 11:03 pm
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Re: Australian military 'to recruit British troops laid-off in UK cuts'
Hi Polyanna
There were a number of issues with the way they dealt with my husband, which I don't want to go into here, but I have gone into with a senior officer in the ADF in the UK, when I got fed up with it and complained. Prior to making a complaint, I had emailed the recruiter about one of the problems/issues on a number of occasions, and my emails were ignored, and then the problem repeated. Had this happened with one of my teams, while the original problem could have been seen as a mistake/human error and there would have been an immediate apology made to the affected candidates, to repeat it after having the issue highlighted, would have resulted in a disciplinary hearing, the most likely outcome then being a formal written warning.
From a candidate's point of view it is very difficult, when you are applying for roles, to know who to complain to when things like this happen. Normally you would complain to the person's boss (as a first step), but when the letter with the dubious content attached came via the recruiter from their boss, what do you do then? You don't know who it has come from. Yes you could then go higher, but finding out who to go to when you are not in the military yourself (and you tend to find that the military are not happy to give out names of senior officers to civilians), is a little difficult. You also know that if you get marked as someone who will complain, you will be rejected (which did happen to my husband, despite the fact that it was me who complained). While this has never happened where I have worked, I have known of it with colleagues in other companies who have said that their managers will reject anyone seen as a potential troublemaker or who complains about the way they go about their recruitment.
I did take advice from a Senior HR Manager (a close friend) about the email and her opinion matched mine. In these sort of cases the first thing you ask for if someone approaches you with a complaint like this, is the evidence. My husband deleted it straight away precisely to stop me going formal as I was still hitting the roof about it a couple of days afterwards. He didn't believe me when I told him on the phone about it and it was only when he came home and saw it that he believed me. He thought I was joking (it does sound a little unlikely you have to admit). I know little if anything about IT (not my specialist area) so I don't know if it would still be on their computers. All I know is that we don't still have it and you cannot investigate an allegation if there is no evidence to back it up.
Finally, we have very strong and effective virus scanners on our computer, and it was not picked up by them. That may mean something, it may not. Viruses can get through but we haven't found one yet that has (we are on a MAC not a PC so don't have the Windows problems). Also, I understand that in the UK Forces, all emails are scanned for viruses and have to clear a firewall before they go out. I would assume (perhaps wrongly) that this would happen in Australia? Again, not an IT bod and no contacts in the ADF so I wouldn't know. Could it be attached en-route after leaving their computer and before reaching ours? Don't know.
I do apologise if I have upset anyone by posting this. It was not my intention and I'm not trying to cause trouble. I did complain about the way the recruiter behaved. Whether anything was done, I don't know. I'm not really interested, it is none of my business. However, I would say that had my husband received an offer from the ADF, after the way they behaved during the recruitment process, I would have been strongly pressuring him to turn it down. As far as the offensive email goes, I would hate any other young children to see what I and my son saw. Thus the warning.
There were a number of issues with the way they dealt with my husband, which I don't want to go into here, but I have gone into with a senior officer in the ADF in the UK, when I got fed up with it and complained. Prior to making a complaint, I had emailed the recruiter about one of the problems/issues on a number of occasions, and my emails were ignored, and then the problem repeated. Had this happened with one of my teams, while the original problem could have been seen as a mistake/human error and there would have been an immediate apology made to the affected candidates, to repeat it after having the issue highlighted, would have resulted in a disciplinary hearing, the most likely outcome then being a formal written warning.
From a candidate's point of view it is very difficult, when you are applying for roles, to know who to complain to when things like this happen. Normally you would complain to the person's boss (as a first step), but when the letter with the dubious content attached came via the recruiter from their boss, what do you do then? You don't know who it has come from. Yes you could then go higher, but finding out who to go to when you are not in the military yourself (and you tend to find that the military are not happy to give out names of senior officers to civilians), is a little difficult. You also know that if you get marked as someone who will complain, you will be rejected (which did happen to my husband, despite the fact that it was me who complained). While this has never happened where I have worked, I have known of it with colleagues in other companies who have said that their managers will reject anyone seen as a potential troublemaker or who complains about the way they go about their recruitment.
I did take advice from a Senior HR Manager (a close friend) about the email and her opinion matched mine. In these sort of cases the first thing you ask for if someone approaches you with a complaint like this, is the evidence. My husband deleted it straight away precisely to stop me going formal as I was still hitting the roof about it a couple of days afterwards. He didn't believe me when I told him on the phone about it and it was only when he came home and saw it that he believed me. He thought I was joking (it does sound a little unlikely you have to admit). I know little if anything about IT (not my specialist area) so I don't know if it would still be on their computers. All I know is that we don't still have it and you cannot investigate an allegation if there is no evidence to back it up.
Finally, we have very strong and effective virus scanners on our computer, and it was not picked up by them. That may mean something, it may not. Viruses can get through but we haven't found one yet that has (we are on a MAC not a PC so don't have the Windows problems). Also, I understand that in the UK Forces, all emails are scanned for viruses and have to clear a firewall before they go out. I would assume (perhaps wrongly) that this would happen in Australia? Again, not an IT bod and no contacts in the ADF so I wouldn't know. Could it be attached en-route after leaving their computer and before reaching ours? Don't know.
I do apologise if I have upset anyone by posting this. It was not my intention and I'm not trying to cause trouble. I did complain about the way the recruiter behaved. Whether anything was done, I don't know. I'm not really interested, it is none of my business. However, I would say that had my husband received an offer from the ADF, after the way they behaved during the recruitment process, I would have been strongly pressuring him to turn it down. As far as the offensive email goes, I would hate any other young children to see what I and my son saw. Thus the warning.
Jan 1st 2012, 12:02 am
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Re: Australian military 'to recruit British troops laid-off in UK cuts'
Hi Polyanna
There were a number of issues with the way they dealt with my husband, which I don't want to go into here, but I have gone into with a senior officer in the ADF in the UK, when I got fed up with it and complained. Prior to making a complaint, I had emailed the recruiter about one of the problems/issues on a number of occasions, and my emails were ignored, and then the problem repeated. Had this happened with one of my teams, while the original problem could have been seen as a mistake/human error and there would have been an immediate apology made to the affected candidates, to repeat it after having the issue highlighted, would have resulted in a disciplinary hearing, the most likely outcome then being a formal written warning.
From a candidate's point of view it is very difficult, when you are applying for roles, to know who to complain to when things like this happen. Normally you would complain to the person's boss (as a first step), but when the letter with the dubious content attached came via the recruiter from their boss, what do you do then? You don't know who it has come from. Yes you could then go higher, but finding out who to go to when you are not in the military yourself (and you tend to find that the military are not happy to give out names of senior officers to civilians), is a little difficult. You also know that if you get marked as someone who will complain, you will be rejected (which did happen to my husband, despite the fact that it was me who complained). While this has never happened where I have worked, I have known of it with colleagues in other companies who have said that their managers will reject anyone seen as a potential troublemaker or who complains about the way they go about their recruitment.
I did take advice from a Senior HR Manager (a close friend) about the email and her opinion matched mine. In these sort of cases the first thing you ask for if someone approaches you with a complaint like this, is the evidence. My husband deleted it straight away precisely to stop me going formal as I was still hitting the roof about it a couple of days afterwards. He didn't believe me when I told him on the phone about it and it was only when he came home and saw it that he believed me. He thought I was joking (it does sound a little unlikely you have to admit). I know little if anything about IT (not my specialist area) so I don't know if it would still be on their computers. All I know is that we don't still have it and you cannot investigate an allegation if there is no evidence to back it up.
Finally, we have very strong and effective virus scanners on our computer, and it was not picked up by them. That may mean something, it may not. Viruses can get through but we haven't found one yet that has (we are on a MAC not a PC so don't have the Windows problems). Also, I understand that in the UK Forces, all emails are scanned for viruses and have to clear a firewall before they go out. I would assume (perhaps wrongly) that this would happen in Australia? Again, not an IT bod and no contacts in the ADF so I wouldn't know. Could it be attached en-route after leaving their computer and before reaching ours? Don't know.
I do apologise if I have upset anyone by posting this. It was not my intention and I'm not trying to cause trouble. I did complain about the way the recruiter behaved. Whether anything was done, I don't know. I'm not really interested, it is none of my business. However, I would say that had my husband received an offer from the ADF, after the way they behaved during the recruitment process, I would have been strongly pressuring him to turn it down. As far as the offensive email goes, I would hate any other young children to see what I and my son saw. Thus the warning.
There were a number of issues with the way they dealt with my husband, which I don't want to go into here, but I have gone into with a senior officer in the ADF in the UK, when I got fed up with it and complained. Prior to making a complaint, I had emailed the recruiter about one of the problems/issues on a number of occasions, and my emails were ignored, and then the problem repeated. Had this happened with one of my teams, while the original problem could have been seen as a mistake/human error and there would have been an immediate apology made to the affected candidates, to repeat it after having the issue highlighted, would have resulted in a disciplinary hearing, the most likely outcome then being a formal written warning.
From a candidate's point of view it is very difficult, when you are applying for roles, to know who to complain to when things like this happen. Normally you would complain to the person's boss (as a first step), but when the letter with the dubious content attached came via the recruiter from their boss, what do you do then? You don't know who it has come from. Yes you could then go higher, but finding out who to go to when you are not in the military yourself (and you tend to find that the military are not happy to give out names of senior officers to civilians), is a little difficult. You also know that if you get marked as someone who will complain, you will be rejected (which did happen to my husband, despite the fact that it was me who complained). While this has never happened where I have worked, I have known of it with colleagues in other companies who have said that their managers will reject anyone seen as a potential troublemaker or who complains about the way they go about their recruitment.
I did take advice from a Senior HR Manager (a close friend) about the email and her opinion matched mine. In these sort of cases the first thing you ask for if someone approaches you with a complaint like this, is the evidence. My husband deleted it straight away precisely to stop me going formal as I was still hitting the roof about it a couple of days afterwards. He didn't believe me when I told him on the phone about it and it was only when he came home and saw it that he believed me. He thought I was joking (it does sound a little unlikely you have to admit). I know little if anything about IT (not my specialist area) so I don't know if it would still be on their computers. All I know is that we don't still have it and you cannot investigate an allegation if there is no evidence to back it up.
Finally, we have very strong and effective virus scanners on our computer, and it was not picked up by them. That may mean something, it may not. Viruses can get through but we haven't found one yet that has (we are on a MAC not a PC so don't have the Windows problems). Also, I understand that in the UK Forces, all emails are scanned for viruses and have to clear a firewall before they go out. I would assume (perhaps wrongly) that this would happen in Australia? Again, not an IT bod and no contacts in the ADF so I wouldn't know. Could it be attached en-route after leaving their computer and before reaching ours? Don't know.
I do apologise if I have upset anyone by posting this. It was not my intention and I'm not trying to cause trouble. I did complain about the way the recruiter behaved. Whether anything was done, I don't know. I'm not really interested, it is none of my business. However, I would say that had my husband received an offer from the ADF, after the way they behaved during the recruitment process, I would have been strongly pressuring him to turn it down. As far as the offensive email goes, I would hate any other young children to see what I and my son saw. Thus the warning.
The lateral recruit process is not a quick way in - the whole process can take between 18 and 24 months (it took my hubby a year in total and he was already in the country) and on top of that you have to deal with any changes to visa`s medicals etc. It does however have a lot of advantages - you get your money back for some expenses, you get business class flights over, you get accomodation on arrival, plus entitlement to rental through Defence Housing,you get your removals paid for and the serving member and your kids (under 18 I believe) can get citizenship within a few months.
Jan 1st 2012, 12:22 am
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Re: Australian military 'to recruit British troops laid-off in UK cuts'
There were a number of issues with the way they dealt with my husband, which I don't want to go into here, but I have gone into with a senior officer in the ADF in the UK, when I got fed up with it and complained. Prior to making a complaint, I had emailed the recruiter about one of the problems/issues on a number of occasions, and my emails were ignored, and then the problem repeated. Had this happened with one of my teams, while the original problem could have been seen as a mistake/human error and there would have been an immediate apology made to the affected candidates, to repeat it after having the issue highlighted, would have resulted in a disciplinary hearing, the most likely outcome then being a formal written warning.
Also, I understand that in the UK Forces, all emails are scanned for viruses and have to clear a firewall before they go out. I would assume (perhaps wrongly) that this would happen in Australia? Again, not an IT bod and no contacts in the ADF so I wouldn't know. Could it be attached en-route after leaving their computer and before reaching ours? Don't know.
However there is always the possibility that whoever was working on the file was doing it from home or from a distant office, just using remote access to the ADF email servers - also very common here to work remotely like this, I do it myself daily and then its a lot easier to attach files in error from a home computer. It may be that its a genuine error - perhaps someone meant to attach a recruiting file but there was a "dodgy pic" on the system that had been given a misleading name, so the recruiter attached in good faith what someone else had maliciously planted there.
Sounds like Slapphead has brought it to someone's attention anyway
Jan 1st 2012, 12:23 am
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Re: Australian military 'to recruit British troops laid-off in UK cuts'
The lateral recruit process is not a quick way in - the whole process can take between 18 and 24 months (it took my hubby a year in total and he was already in the country) and on top of that you have to deal with any changes to visa`s medicals etc. It does however have a lot of advantages - you get your money back for some expenses, you get business class flights over, you get accomodation on arrival, plus entitlement to rental through Defence Housing,you get your removals paid for and the serving member and your kids (under 18 I believe) can get citizenship within a few months.
Jan 1st 2012, 6:32 am
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Re: Australian military 'to recruit British troops laid-off in UK cuts'
Hi Polyanna
There were a number of issues with the way they dealt with my husband, which I don't want to go into here, but I have gone into with a senior officer in the ADF in the UK, when I got fed up with it and complained. Prior to making a complaint, I had emailed the recruiter about one of the problems/issues on a number of occasions, and my emails were ignored, and then the problem repeated. Had this happened with one of my teams, while the original problem could have been seen as a mistake/human error and there would have been an immediate apology made to the affected candidates, to repeat it after having the issue highlighted, would have resulted in a disciplinary hearing, the most likely outcome then being a formal written warning.
From a candidate's point of view it is very difficult, when you are applying for roles, to know who to complain to when things like this happen. Normally you would complain to the person's boss (as a first step), but when the letter with the dubious content attached came via the recruiter from their boss, what do you do then? You don't know who it has come from. Yes you could then go higher, but finding out who to go to when you are not in the military yourself (and you tend to find that the military are not happy to give out names of senior officers to civilians), is a little difficult. You also know that if you get marked as someone who will complain, you will be rejected (which did happen to my husband, despite the fact that it was me who complained). While this has never happened where I have worked, I have known of it with colleagues in other companies who have said that their managers will reject anyone seen as a potential troublemaker or who complains about the way they go about their recruitment.
I did take advice from a Senior HR Manager (a close friend) about the email and her opinion matched mine. In these sort of cases the first thing you ask for if someone approaches you with a complaint like this, is the evidence. My husband deleted it straight away precisely to stop me going formal as I was still hitting the roof about it a couple of days afterwards. He didn't believe me when I told him on the phone about it and it was only when he came home and saw it that he believed me. He thought I was joking (it does sound a little unlikely you have to admit). I know little if anything about IT (not my specialist area) so I don't know if it would still be on their computers. All I know is that we don't still have it and you cannot investigate an allegation if there is no evidence to back it up.
Finally, we have very strong and effective virus scanners on our computer, and it was not picked up by them. That may mean something, it may not. Viruses can get through but we haven't found one yet that has (we are on a MAC not a PC so don't have the Windows problems). Also, I understand that in the UK Forces, all emails are scanned for viruses and have to clear a firewall before they go out. I would assume (perhaps wrongly) that this would happen in Australia? Again, not an IT bod and no contacts in the ADF so I wouldn't know. Could it be attached en-route after leaving their computer and before reaching ours? Don't know.
I do apologise if I have upset anyone by posting this. It was not my intention and I'm not trying to cause trouble. I did complain about the way the recruiter behaved. Whether anything was done, I don't know. I'm not really interested, it is none of my business. However, I would say that had my husband received an offer from the ADF, after the way they behaved during the recruitment process, I would have been strongly pressuring him to turn it down. As far as the offensive email goes, I would hate any other young children to see what I and my son saw. Thus the warning.
There were a number of issues with the way they dealt with my husband, which I don't want to go into here, but I have gone into with a senior officer in the ADF in the UK, when I got fed up with it and complained. Prior to making a complaint, I had emailed the recruiter about one of the problems/issues on a number of occasions, and my emails were ignored, and then the problem repeated. Had this happened with one of my teams, while the original problem could have been seen as a mistake/human error and there would have been an immediate apology made to the affected candidates, to repeat it after having the issue highlighted, would have resulted in a disciplinary hearing, the most likely outcome then being a formal written warning.
From a candidate's point of view it is very difficult, when you are applying for roles, to know who to complain to when things like this happen. Normally you would complain to the person's boss (as a first step), but when the letter with the dubious content attached came via the recruiter from their boss, what do you do then? You don't know who it has come from. Yes you could then go higher, but finding out who to go to when you are not in the military yourself (and you tend to find that the military are not happy to give out names of senior officers to civilians), is a little difficult. You also know that if you get marked as someone who will complain, you will be rejected (which did happen to my husband, despite the fact that it was me who complained). While this has never happened where I have worked, I have known of it with colleagues in other companies who have said that their managers will reject anyone seen as a potential troublemaker or who complains about the way they go about their recruitment.
I did take advice from a Senior HR Manager (a close friend) about the email and her opinion matched mine. In these sort of cases the first thing you ask for if someone approaches you with a complaint like this, is the evidence. My husband deleted it straight away precisely to stop me going formal as I was still hitting the roof about it a couple of days afterwards. He didn't believe me when I told him on the phone about it and it was only when he came home and saw it that he believed me. He thought I was joking (it does sound a little unlikely you have to admit). I know little if anything about IT (not my specialist area) so I don't know if it would still be on their computers. All I know is that we don't still have it and you cannot investigate an allegation if there is no evidence to back it up.
Finally, we have very strong and effective virus scanners on our computer, and it was not picked up by them. That may mean something, it may not. Viruses can get through but we haven't found one yet that has (we are on a MAC not a PC so don't have the Windows problems). Also, I understand that in the UK Forces, all emails are scanned for viruses and have to clear a firewall before they go out. I would assume (perhaps wrongly) that this would happen in Australia? Again, not an IT bod and no contacts in the ADF so I wouldn't know. Could it be attached en-route after leaving their computer and before reaching ours? Don't know.
I do apologise if I have upset anyone by posting this. It was not my intention and I'm not trying to cause trouble. I did complain about the way the recruiter behaved. Whether anything was done, I don't know. I'm not really interested, it is none of my business. However, I would say that had my husband received an offer from the ADF, after the way they behaved during the recruitment process, I would have been strongly pressuring him to turn it down. As far as the offensive email goes, I would hate any other young children to see what I and my son saw. Thus the warning.
Jan 1st 2012, 1:24 pm
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Re: Australian military 'to recruit British troops laid-off in UK cuts'
I don`t think you`ve upset anyone but at the same time what happened to you is definately not the norm and I think the RAN /ADF would have taken it very seriously had you complained.
The lateral recruit process is not a quick way in - the whole process can take between 18 and 24 months (it took my hubby a year in total and he was already in the country) and on top of that you have to deal with any changes to visa`s medicals etc. It does however have a lot of advantages - you get your money back for some expenses, you get business class flights over, you get accomodation on arrival, plus entitlement to rental through Defence Housing,you get your removals paid for and the serving member and your kids (under 18 I believe) can get citizenship within a few months.
The lateral recruit process is not a quick way in - the whole process can take between 18 and 24 months (it took my hubby a year in total and he was already in the country) and on top of that you have to deal with any changes to visa`s medicals etc. It does however have a lot of advantages - you get your money back for some expenses, you get business class flights over, you get accomodation on arrival, plus entitlement to rental through Defence Housing,you get your removals paid for and the serving member and your kids (under 18 I believe) can get citizenship within a few months.
Jan 1st 2012, 10:26 pm
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Re: Australian military 'to recruit British troops laid-off in UK cuts'
Nope, everyone under 16/18 in the family gets citizenship along with the serving member, except for the spouse...trust me, I'm the one waiting for 4 years! lol
Jan 1st 2012, 10:27 pm
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Re: Australian military 'to recruit British troops laid-off in UK cuts'
My mates hubby and kids got it within 3 months - kids were under 16, she had to wait.
Last edited by gobbyjock; Jan 1st 2012 at 10:30 pm.
Jan 1st 2012, 10:31 pm
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Jan 1st 2012, 10:59 pm
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Jan 2nd 2012, 7:35 am
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Re: Australian military 'to recruit British troops laid-off in UK cuts'
just checked me mates e-mail and that's what he said too, serves me right for not checking first 