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lumpommer Jul 19th 2012 4:52 am

Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
With prices rising and unemployment rising has recession finally come to Australia.

:(

KJCherokee Jul 19th 2012 5:34 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
Recession is officially two consecutive quarters of negative growth - so no, we're not there yet.

Many professionals and experts around the world believe that a true economic recession can only be confirmed if GDP (Gross Domestic Product) growth is negative for a period of two or more consecutive quarters.

The roots of a recession and its true starting point actually rest in the several quarters of positive but slowing growth before the recession cycle really begins. Often in a mild recession the first quarter of negative growth is followed by slight positive growth, then negative growth returns and the recession trend continues.

While the “two quarter” definition is accepted globally, many economists have trouble supporting it completely as it does not consider other important economic change variables. For instance, current national unemployment rates or consumer confidence and spending levels are all a part of the economic system and must to be taken into account when defining a recession and its attributes.

commonwealth Jul 19th 2012 5:39 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
i dont think so.

elice_in_oz Jul 19th 2012 5:46 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
:yawn:

:popcorn:

DeadVim Jul 19th 2012 5:53 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
****ed if I know.

commonwealth Jul 19th 2012 5:55 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
recession is only a state of mind.

knockoff nige Jul 19th 2012 6:24 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
If this is a recession then bring on the good times.

PaulandNic Jul 19th 2012 7:16 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 

Originally Posted by lumpommer (Post 10180707)
recession

:ohmy: ... don't swear!

Not in these parts it aint, altho did see a cloud in the sky recently.

isgraham Jul 19th 2012 8:06 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
No Australia is not in recession officially however things outside of mining are not looking too good and I even read that Rio Tinto are sacking a load of people in Queensland because of falling coal prices. I would guess that with the enormous stockpiles of raw materials in China and that their main trading partner is right up shit creek that things will not be getting better for some time to come.

chris955 Jul 19th 2012 8:09 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
The thing about recession is that it rarely directly affects people unless they lose their jobs because of it. It is more complicated in Australia because mining is keeping the country officially out of recession even though unemployment is rising, prices are rising and according to a recent poll people are worried about jobs and the future.
There was an interview yesterday with an economist who was talking about the recession here in the UK, he said although the country was officially in recession unemployment is falling as is inflation. It is how the current economic situation is affecting the average person not what the official figures show.


Originally Posted by lumpommer (Post 10180707)
With prices rising and unemployment rising has recession finally come to Australia.

:(


GarryP Jul 19th 2012 9:41 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
Nope, but as and when China admits things are turning down, well that could be a different matter.

Meanwhile, in the land of the raincloud : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ntil-2020.html

lesleys Jul 19th 2012 9:44 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/char...01&d2=20120719

I don't think you can really claim unemployment is rising. Variations by a few tenths of a percentage point hardly amount to a rise consistent with a recession.

chris955 Jul 19th 2012 9:48 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
Yes unfortunately China is the key and it is completely out of the hands of the Government to change anything. Every country in the world will be tightening their belts for some considerable time to come.


Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 10181197)
Nope, but as and when China admits things are turning down, well that could be a different matter.

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chris955 Jul 19th 2012 9:50 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 
A few tenths of a percentage point actually means potentially 1000's of people and if you look at that graph the trend is upwards so it is rising.


Originally Posted by lesleys (Post 10181204)
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/char...01&d2=20120719

I don't think you can really claim unemployment is rising. Variations by a few tenths of a percentage point hardly amount to a rise consistent with a recession.


lesleys Jul 19th 2012 9:57 am

Re: Is Australia officially in a Recession
 

Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 10181212)
A few tenths of a percentage point actually means potentially 1000's of people and if you look at that graph the trend is upwards so it is rising.

Thanks for the maths lesson, but you will also notice that the numbers are oscillating and there is no cumulative increase in unemployment over several months.


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