Australia, or New Zealand.
Oct 22nd 2013, 8:00 am
#31
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Re: Australia, or New Zealand.
Indeed. My Sister in law was fully trained as a paramedic in NZ, worked in NZ for a year and then joined the London Ambulance Service where she has now worked for 10 years. My other Sister in Law is currently almost fully qualified as a nurse and is applying for placements in Brisbane.
My mother in law is also a fully trained paramedic and she lives in NZ. She does not get paid a cent to be a paramedic, she does it as a volunteer. Out of the 10 people at her ambulance station, 8 are unpaid volunteers. She does reception duty at a medical centre to pay the bills. If she was younger she'd be in Australia/UK/USA as well.
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My mother in law is also a fully trained paramedic and she lives in NZ. She does not get paid a cent to be a paramedic, she does it as a volunteer. Out of the 10 people at her ambulance station, 8 are unpaid volunteers. She does reception duty at a medical centre to pay the bills. If she was younger she'd be in Australia/UK/USA as well.
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Yep, OK.
Oct 22nd 2013, 8:01 am
#32
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Oct 22nd 2013, 8:06 am
#33
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Oct 22nd 2013, 8:15 am
#34
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Re: Australia, or New Zealand.
OK, well you've forced me to look it up.
Permanent and long term departures of New Zealand citizens from New Zealand -
2008/9 - 52,500
2009/10 - 40,400
2010/11 - 53,700
Source http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/...picture/03.asp
2007 - 55,600
between 1979 and 2007 - average of 44,000 per year
1979 - 64,100
Source http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_...departure.aspx
So 50,000 is a fairly accurate figure.
In New Zealand it's known as "the brain drain".
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Permanent and long term departures of New Zealand citizens from New Zealand -
2008/9 - 52,500
2009/10 - 40,400
2010/11 - 53,700
Source http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/...picture/03.asp
2007 - 55,600
between 1979 and 2007 - average of 44,000 per year
1979 - 64,100
Source http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_...departure.aspx
So 50,000 is a fairly accurate figure.
In New Zealand it's known as "the brain drain".
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Oct 22nd 2013, 8:18 am
#35
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Oct 22nd 2013, 8:37 am
#36
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Re: Australia, or New Zealand.
To the OP both countries have pros and cons, it just comes down to where you want to live and noone else can tell you where is better.
Oct 22nd 2013, 8:39 am
#37
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Re: Australia, or New Zealand.
Did I? 
Did you read the article you quoted?
New Zealanders moving to Australia do not represent a 'brain drain'. New Zealand-born people in Australia have a similar skill profile to those in New Zealand.[15]
The way I see it Kiwi's don't leave NZ because they hate their county. They move out, set up a nest egg so that they can move back to NZ in the future. Much like lots of Brits do in the likes of the Middle East.
And as for 50,000 leaving. Yes, fair enough that is about right. However 40% of those return so about 20,000. If it's that sh1t in NZ surely more Kiwi's would stay away and never return.
Considerable numbers of New Zealanders come back to New Zealand. Comparing the New Zealand and Australian Census 2006 results indicate that between 2001 and 2006 about four workers returned to New Zealand for every 10 going to Australia. This shows there is considerable Trans-Tasman 'churn' due to returning flows of New Zealanders.
In New Zealand it's known as "the brain drain".
New Zealanders moving to Australia do not represent a 'brain drain'. New Zealand-born people in Australia have a similar skill profile to those in New Zealand.[15]
The way I see it Kiwi's don't leave NZ because they hate their county. They move out, set up a nest egg so that they can move back to NZ in the future. Much like lots of Brits do in the likes of the Middle East.
And as for 50,000 leaving. Yes, fair enough that is about right. However 40% of those return so about 20,000. If it's that sh1t in NZ surely more Kiwi's would stay away and never return.
Considerable numbers of New Zealanders come back to New Zealand. Comparing the New Zealand and Australian Census 2006 results indicate that between 2001 and 2006 about four workers returned to New Zealand for every 10 going to Australia. This shows there is considerable Trans-Tasman 'churn' due to returning flows of New Zealanders.
Oct 22nd 2013, 8:40 am
#38
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Re: Australia, or New Zealand.
OK, well you've forced me to look it up.
Permanent and long term departures of New Zealand citizens from New Zealand -
2008/9 - 52,500
2009/10 - 40,400
2010/11 - 53,700
Source http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/...picture/03.asp
2007 - 55,600
between 1979 and 2007 - average of 44,000 per year
1979 - 64,100
Source http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_...departure.aspx
So 50,000 is a fairly accurate figure.
In New Zealand it's known as "the brain drain".
BB
Permanent and long term departures of New Zealand citizens from New Zealand -
2008/9 - 52,500
2009/10 - 40,400
2010/11 - 53,700
Source http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/...picture/03.asp
2007 - 55,600
between 1979 and 2007 - average of 44,000 per year
1979 - 64,100
Source http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_...departure.aspx
So 50,000 is a fairly accurate figure.
In New Zealand it's known as "the brain drain".
BB
Oct 22nd 2013, 9:19 am
#39
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Re: Australia, or New Zealand.
Did I?
Did you read the article you quoted?
New Zealanders moving to Australia do not represent a 'brain drain'. New Zealand-born people in Australia have a similar skill profile to those in New Zealand.[15]
The way I see it Kiwi's don't leave NZ because they hate their county. They move out, set up a nest egg so that they can move back to NZ in the future. Much like lots of Brits do in the likes of the Middle East.
And as for 50,000 leaving. Yes, fair enough that is about right. However 40% of those return so about 20,000. If it's that sh1t in NZ surely more Kiwi's would stay away and never return.
Considerable numbers of New Zealanders come back to New Zealand. Comparing the New Zealand and Australian Census 2006 results indicate that between 2001 and 2006 about four workers returned to New Zealand for every 10 going to Australia. This shows there is considerable Trans-Tasman 'churn' due to returning flows of New Zealanders.
Did you read the article you quoted?
New Zealanders moving to Australia do not represent a 'brain drain'. New Zealand-born people in Australia have a similar skill profile to those in New Zealand.[15]
The way I see it Kiwi's don't leave NZ because they hate their county. They move out, set up a nest egg so that they can move back to NZ in the future. Much like lots of Brits do in the likes of the Middle East.
And as for 50,000 leaving. Yes, fair enough that is about right. However 40% of those return so about 20,000. If it's that sh1t in NZ surely more Kiwi's would stay away and never return.
Considerable numbers of New Zealanders come back to New Zealand. Comparing the New Zealand and Australian Census 2006 results indicate that between 2001 and 2006 about four workers returned to New Zealand for every 10 going to Australia. This shows there is considerable Trans-Tasman 'churn' due to returning flows of New Zealanders.
Most come to Australia
There are heaps of Kiwis in Perth - Air NZ has recently updated their daily flight to a B777
Oct 22nd 2013, 10:23 am
#40
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Re: Australia, or New Zealand.
LMAO its amusing you think every one that leaves NZ has failed. Have they started dishing out blinkers arrivals?
Oct 22nd 2013, 10:45 am
#42
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Re: Australia, or New Zealand.
Not going to buy into the 'my country is better than your country' argument, both Oz and NZ are fantastic places to live and bring up families, and people leave and return to/from either for lots of reasons.
I've just finished overseeing a round of interviews for a local govt. job in WA. We had a lot of applicants with a handful being very high quality. But we couldn't go past the New Zealand applicant who had everything we needed and more. He's happy, we're happy.
I've just finished overseeing a round of interviews for a local govt. job in WA. We had a lot of applicants with a handful being very high quality. But we couldn't go past the New Zealand applicant who had everything we needed and more. He's happy, we're happy.
Oct 22nd 2013, 10:55 am
#43
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Re: Australia, or New Zealand.
My mate is nurse who immigrated there soon after we came here... She LOVES NZ...
However she hates the nursing... And has had issues adapting to the nursing culture....
But then their financial situation is that she can work as a hobby now and really enjoy getting out and about... So it doesn't matter if she struggles with the job....
However she hates the nursing... And has had issues adapting to the nursing culture....
But then their financial situation is that she can work as a hobby now and really enjoy getting out and about... So it doesn't matter if she struggles with the job....
Oct 22nd 2013, 11:38 am
#44
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Re: Australia, or New Zealand.
6 of the 10 houses on our street are kiwis, all moved here (Oz) in last 3 years, for as they put it "better opportunities". Most have their parents, uncles, cousins etc join them at some point and out of all of those households only 1 person wants to go back. She'll be the first to admit she's unlikely to do so as it would mean leaving husband and kids behind...