Amazon opening up In Australia
#31
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Looks like AU Amazon could be up and running before Christmas
https://thewest.com.au/business/reta...-ng-b88593805z
Expect more bluster from Gerry Harvey
Bring it on!
https://thewest.com.au/business/reta...-ng-b88593805z
Expect more bluster from Gerry Harvey
Bring it on!
Sheet !!!
I wondered why they were delaying us, They've moved our packages from the 29th of Sept to the 1st of Jan just this week.
Must be gauging the impact.
#32
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Amazon AU supposedly opened today, has anyone heard anything about it. ??
The Union reckons it will go like this....
https://www.resellerratings.com/store/Amazon_ca
The same if not worse than Canada. Basically because of the spread of population and difficult to access places.
Apparently Aus Post are not going to treat Amazon Parcels as specials, having launched their own rival system called Shipster.
So let the fun begin.
Here's a link to Aus Posts new roll out.
https://auspost.com.au/shipster?&ecid=p26531255748
The Union reckons it will go like this....
https://www.resellerratings.com/store/Amazon_ca
The same if not worse than Canada. Basically because of the spread of population and difficult to access places.
Apparently Aus Post are not going to treat Amazon Parcels as specials, having launched their own rival system called Shipster.
So let the fun begin.
Here's a link to Aus Posts new roll out.
https://auspost.com.au/shipster?&ecid=p26531255748
Last edited by ozzieeagle; Nov 23rd 2017 at 5:58 am.
#33
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The Union reckons it will go like this....
https://www.resellerratings.com/store/Amazon_ca
The same if not worse than Canada. Basically because of the spread of population and difficult to access places.
Apparently Aus Post are not going to treat Amazon Parcels as specials, having launched their own rival system called Shipster.
So let the fun begin.
https://www.resellerratings.com/store/Amazon_ca
The same if not worse than Canada. Basically because of the spread of population and difficult to access places.
Apparently Aus Post are not going to treat Amazon Parcels as specials, having launched their own rival system called Shipster.
So let the fun begin.
Shi*ster is basically a dead duck, they really didn't understand how this type of thing is supposed to work. The more you dig into the terms, the worse it gets.
#34
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To get what I want at the price I want to pay I often have to source goods from the USA, UK, Asia or China. Consequently delivery times can be long.
Amazon AU to me is about having a far broader local choice of goods at reasonable pricing. Fingers crossed on both of course.
So at the outset delivery times are not the be-all and end-all to me.
Amazon AU to me is about having a far broader local choice of goods at reasonable pricing. Fingers crossed on both of course.
So at the outset delivery times are not the be-all and end-all to me.
#35
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Today was the 'soft' launch, with very few carefully selected trialists. Rumour has the proper launch tomorrow.
Basically if Auspost don't buck their ideas up for Amazon and do the job properly, people will be left in no doubt who's to blame. Amazon don't muck about on the tracking, failure will be exposed. Worse, Amazon are perfectly capable of setting up their own logistics (something I think they should have done anyway).
Shi*ster is basically a dead duck, they really didn't understand how this type of thing is supposed to work. The more you dig into the terms, the worse it gets.
Basically if Auspost don't buck their ideas up for Amazon and do the job properly, people will be left in no doubt who's to blame. Amazon don't muck about on the tracking, failure will be exposed. Worse, Amazon are perfectly capable of setting up their own logistics (something I think they should have done anyway).
Shi*ster is basically a dead duck, they really didn't understand how this type of thing is supposed to work. The more you dig into the terms, the worse it gets.
#36
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Re: Amazon opening up In Australia
It is similar to ebay
What ever you want to buy from Amazon you can find in ebay
What ever you want to buy from Amazon you can find in ebay
#39
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private label culls original. Then you have price rise or less quality.
Sellers using Ebay do not have any concerns over what Amazon do (and read the terms and conditions) which is bring in products - evaluation - replicate - price out originators).
At least this thread proves my point that Amazon does not have logistics as its core competence.
It would also appear the same for Aus Post (they just have not yet worked that out yet)
Sellers using Ebay do not have any concerns over what Amazon do (and read the terms and conditions) which is bring in products - evaluation - replicate - price out originators).
At least this thread proves my point that Amazon does not have logistics as its core competence.
It would also appear the same for Aus Post (they just have not yet worked that out yet)
Last edited by Stuck in Auckland; Nov 27th 2017 at 10:54 pm.
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Amazon will put a huge squeeze on delivery rates, if AusPost buckles they will end up just subsidising their main business with a few extra pennies and little more.
I hope that in the name of transparency we see the numbers one day and that they won't end up buried deep in the accounting structure under some "confidential agreement" and never see the light of day.
I hope that in the name of transparency we see the numbers one day and that they won't end up buried deep in the accounting structure under some "confidential agreement" and never see the light of day.
#41
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Amazon will put a huge squeeze on delivery rates, if AusPost buckles they will end up just subsidising their main business with a few extra pennies and little more.
I hope that in the name of transparency we see the numbers one day and that they won't end up buried deep in the accounting structure under some "confidential agreement" and never see the light of day.
I hope that in the name of transparency we see the numbers one day and that they won't end up buried deep in the accounting structure under some "confidential agreement" and never see the light of day.
StarTrack Contractors are paying some subcontractors as little as 50 cents per parcel for delivery.
There have been quite a few reports about it on TV and now Amazon find themselves in an environment where it's very difficult to take on Drivers unless they are on an hourly wage. The hourly award wage is very high compared to the standard contract rate. It will add massive costs to Amazons projections. Plus so many people in the industry have been burned by working as drivers many will be reticent to take on a job. The whole industry is plagued by underpayment.
Australia Post ditches three large parcel delivery contractors in wake of underpayment scandal - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Australia Post: A parcel delivery every three minutes is ‘unrealistic’, courier says
Anyone that has followed my posts will know I've been talking about that same subject for at least 8 years on here. It's why you end up with garages full of parcels, it's also why you end up with cards through letterboxes.
I've worked as a parcel driver for Aus post in my first 7 years with them, It was bad enough 16 years ago when it was for wages before it went Contract. Now those drivers working as Parcel drivers are earning at least 40 pct less than I was 16 years ago. Thankfully I'm on wages at Aus Post and inside, but that means I know exactly whats going on and the conditions, I also know about the real struggle Amazon have now found themselves in.
Amazon are doing everything they can to avoid the contract system at present and test running Aus Post waged posties as their main delivery source. Thing is The waged posties are already regularly working 7 hours on their bikes outside, that's beside the 4 or 5 hours setting up time. It's also why there are a few core 100K PA Posties, relievers etc. There will be a lot on that 100K next year as we are now being called on to work 6 days a week inside and they are using Posties to sort parcels on weekends.
They, Amazon, are currently doing dummy runs with blank packages through Aus Post central.
In other words, there is an acute labour shortage within the industry, which cannot be fixed without labour costs being raised to the point where Amazon won't be viable in this country.
Last edited by ozzieeagle; Nov 28th 2017 at 2:19 am.
#42
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Re: Amazon opening up In Australia
ozzieeagle
what is the expected rate for drivers? or perhaps looking at it from:
current
per union
per livable wage
i think there are two parameters that stir social conscience:
under payment
greed.
what is the expected rate for drivers? or perhaps looking at it from:
current
per union
per livable wage
i think there are two parameters that stir social conscience:
under payment
greed.
#43
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As for livable wage, I'm not sure. I do know even at the above rates Aus Post finds it difficult to hire salaried Drivers, even hub drivers, for picking up mail from letterboxes and transporting mail within their own systems. Van Driving particularly parcels is seen as one of the worst jobs going. The bottom of the pile so to speak.
What happened with Aus Posts acquisition of Star Trak, was Ahmeds attempt to De Unionise the industry. Thing is they went too far and wrecked the whole thing and lowered the wages to the point that only desperate people with English as a second language now work in the industry. Plus they get out as soon as they become employable anywhere else. Plus the union eventually got into startrak central. The union is already making some inroads at Amazon as well.
Last edited by ozzieeagle; Nov 28th 2017 at 3:13 am.
#44
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What happened with Aus Posts acquisition of Star Trak, was Ahmeds attempt to De Unionise the industry. Thing is they went too far and wrecked the whole thing and lowered the wages to the point that only desperate people with English as a second language now work in the industry. Plus they get out as soon as they become employable anywhere else. Plus the union eventually got into startrak central. The union is already making some inroads at Amazon as well.
#45
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Whereas the union staff, aka posties are supposedly, according to the propaganda monitor in the staff tea room are now running at 90 pct plus first time delivery. Amazon must have bought it, cos no way are they using private contractors.
Last edited by ozzieeagle; Nov 28th 2017 at 4:56 am.