sonlymewalter

which is what should happen and no one seems to have a problem with this

sonlymewalter

you're missing the point mate. Skilled perm migrants are not always able to secure a job in their skilled field - they already have the required qualifications as they required these to obtain the skilled visa in the first place

If you think about it bringing in skilled migrants and then having them work in less skilled work benefits Australia as in effect Aus gets highly skilled migrants doing less skilled work so effectively we get productivity improvements at low costs which is a fantastic strategy in terms of building a strong skilled economy at the lowest cost

roaringmouse

It doesn't benefit the people who miss out on the jobs because someone with more skill, but not necessarily in the area of the job, has taken that job.

sonlymewalter

Agree mate but that doesn't always happen either as some employers won't employ highly skilled people for fear they'll lose them once a better job comes along.

La Vida loca

Really, Did your sponsor bring you out here?

I dont have an issue with 457, all I can say is I have met more imposters on 457's than is acceptable, and its a rort to the system.

I am also not sure why all the 457 holders bleet on about costs, its a short cut to PR as you know, many PR visa holders jumped through hoops and paid good money to migrate to this land, and then spend $'s establsihing themselves.

If you get here with a job, your infront of many others, so think before you speak.

paddyo

OH FFS.....OK, read this very carefully. I came on a 457 Visa with a genuine intention to do 3 years and then return to the UK and it was part of my professional development. It was not a 'short cut to PR', it was not a rort and it was certainly not 'infront' of others.
I think before I speak and with clarity and also WITH EXPERIENCE, something which patently you are not recognising.
I am indeed PR now, not through original intent but only after making a very informed and personal decision a year ago, even then I had doubts but our circumstances had changed and at that time it was the best for my family. I was lucky to have the full support of my company granted and yes they did make it easier. I certainly do not gloat over getting 'infront' of anybody and I also know from vast experience that there are other 457 Visa holders here who contribute to this country via employment and economy. To tar all with the same brush shows ignorance and a lack of full understanding of what is wrong with the 457 Visa, it is NOT the people, it is the system and the way it has been abused in the past but usually by those from non english speaking countries.
AS for costs, when people come here on a 457 they do so with full knowledge of the impact it will have on them personally and financially. To change the rules whilst you are here and thus impacting on your finances is crass and morally bereft. Do not for one moment underestimate the value of 457 Visa holders or diminish their capacity for hardship if they, like in WA soon, have a family of 4 children and now have to find $16k to educate them. That in itself is illegal and against the UN 'free education for all children' stance which Australia has signed up to. But Australians are very apathetic at best and are very much 'I'm alright Jack' if it doesn't affect them. Forget your misassumptions about 457 Visa system, but DO have some empathy for those who are affected by this sudden and non consultative change.
Finally, your comments are again totally inflammatory and I'm wondering if you are just a teenage troller trying to ignite peoples anger just for pure fun.....oh well....enjoy and have a great time on your PS3!!!

Beoz

Sudden government policy change affects many people in different ways. Check out the FBT change on workers vehicles.

http://www.whosnext.com.au/

Companies who have built their trade around this industry are at threat. Car manufacturers, Salary Packaging companies, Leasing Companies.

I guess this type of government change makes us all stand back and ask the question "Could anything important in my life be affected if the government changed its policy?" ...... negative gearing is a big one.

paddyo

yes we were all discussing this the other week. I am amazed at how these snap decisions on important financial issues which affect the individual and the economy are just floated with free abandon.
One thing is for sure in Australia, never take anything for granted and ALWAYS expect the worst...it will usually come to fruition!

Dave1892

The education system is there to educate the future workers of Australia. Why should Australia pay to educate children who will be productive workers somewhere else? There is a simple solution to this and that's to get PR. I've got a number of friends who are gong back to the UK with the expiry of their 457 visas and they are taking their kids with them having had free education in Australia, my personal opinion is that 457 visa holders should pay.

northernbird

What about those PR visa holders who stick it out for citizenship then bugger off back to the UK. Should we invoice them for their children's education fees?

Dreamy

Yes

Beoz

Interesting point. The theory is that Australia needs the 457 worker to fill a skills shortage so perhaps the 457 should be free to entice, yet those who do the 457 for PR and a passport who bugger off should pay it back, as the education will be used elsewhere. Just a theory and would certainly bugger me.

paddyo

Right, turn this around and now lets make ALL Australians who are on a temp Visa in the UK pay for THEIR kids schooling in the UK. Doesn't sit well with our idea of fairness does it and you can guarentee UK based Aussies would soon be up in arms over that.
Their is nowhere that states 'only if the children will stay and become productive members of Australian economy shall we educate them'.
We don't take this approach in the UK neither should the Australians to us.

Those of you who have NOT had to pay these fees in NSW could possibly understand the unfairness of it. I am now PR and I would NEVER begrudge any child regardless of their parents Visa status a right to free public school education. It is morally wrong and quite frankly those of you who support it should be ashamed of yourselves..suffer not the children for thier parents crimes! Remember....only $195 dollars of this fee goes to the school, so it begs the question what is it REALLY intended for??

Beoz

I suspect if this happen, Australians living in Australia, especially those who's only overseas holiday was to Bali would probably say "f*** 'em, if they want to live there well bad luck"

Seriously though. If someone gets their kid educated in Australia and they are paying tax, regardless of their visa, PR, or citizenship status, they should be entitled to equal rights. You can never predict the future. Who know's if a 457 will go onto be a citizen and who knows if a citizen buggers off to another country for the rest of their life.

paddyo

+1