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Old Apr 18th 2017, 6:23 am   #1
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Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has banned 457 visas

I never saw this coming

I kind of agree with it - bring in PRs or nothing
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Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has banned 457 visas

I never saw this coming

I kind of agree with it - bring in PRs or nothing


WOW! Seems to lack a lot of detail yet and for sure like everything, there are a few that are using 457's for what it is not meant for. But I know a lot of Australian business, especially in regional areas, that are only able to operate because of people on 457 visas. Could cause massive problems for them.


I came on a 457 visa 10 years ago and by doing so managed to turn around the Australia company and saved 25 or so Aussie jobs. If it had been a longer process, the company might of gone under while waiting for me.


This is more about headlines than jobs and investment.
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Old Apr 18th 2017, 7:04 am   #3
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Another kick in the teeth for small business in this country .The logic is to give the jobs to local Australians But we need skilled local Australians now and they are just not available now that was the reason for the visa political madness
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Looking down the lists, I don't think they are doing what they claim they are doing. There are a lot of highly skilled jobs that are coming off the two 457ish visa lists - lots of engineers, pilots, scientists, etc. At the same time most IT and chef type roles AREN'T coming off. For instance "ICT business Analyst" is still on the 'medium' list. as is "Lift Mechanic", "Locksmith", "Plumber", and even Chef (but with asterisks).

I think this has a lot to do with looking like they are doing something - but still allowing their mates to bring in cheap workers. It's not strategic.
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Another kick in the teeth for small business in this country .The logic is to give the jobs to local Australians But we need skilled local Australians now and they are just not available now that was the reason for the visa political madness
Did you read the headline and forget the detail? Not that there is much detail yet but there's a bit here. Doesn't sound like your business will be affected.

http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull-has-banned-457-visas/news-story/7064434e051073a0882a3e11dd8bc87f
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Did you read the headline and forget the detail? Not that there is much detail yet but there's a bit here. Doesn't sound like your business will be affected.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has banned 457 visas
what business is that :
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Old Apr 18th 2017, 10:29 pm   #7
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More detail revealed this morning. Somehow the ABC was on my TV. What I got out of Mal's speech was that there is still a path to residency but its not as easy as it is now .... fair enough. There is also a 4 year visa with less jobs types available than the 2 year visa. Both have had the job types reduced ..... radio announcers have been removed.

At the end of the speech, the ABC said "strong speech". No negativity from the lefties.
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Plus

NZ announcing today that they are scaling back their skilled immigration program

The Donald rejigging the US's H1-B visa system

Definitely a trend internationally
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This is a gigantic miscalculation by Turnbull and co, they risk not allowing someone like me into the country, which let's face it would be to the detriment of Australian society.
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This is a gigantic miscalculation by Turnbull and co, they risk not allowing someone like me into the country, which let's face it would be to the detriment of Australian society.
Wellllllll..........

The press is beginning to wise up and recognise what I commented upon yesterday - that the occupations picked to come off the list aren't the ones that can easily be filled by Australian applicants, but instead the weirder edge cases that don't actually change anything.

Estimate is that the 200 fewer roles on the list account for just 8.6% of all 457 holders (rather than the 28-30% it would be if across the board, and the higher percentage it should be if the 'rort' roles were targeted). 18 of the roles haven't been used for 457 visas in the last decade, and a further 46 haven't be used in the past year.

Meanwhile chef, plumber, etc. are still there.

In other words, this is a con to try and look like it's doing something, by getting rid of roles that actually WOULD be hard to fill in Australia.

Malcolm Turnbull's new visa jobs list would affect just 9 per cent of 457 holders: Shorten

Plus, of course, the 457 is only a small fraction of the total workforce - so only 0.1% of jobs are affected with the changes.

Totally in the noise and solving nothing - nice one Trunbull, good to see you are keeping up the track record.
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Wellllllll..........

The press is beginning to wise up and recognise what I commented upon yesterday - that the occupations picked to come off the list aren't the ones that can easily be filled by Australian applicants, but instead the weirder edge cases that don't actually change anything.

Estimate is that the 200 fewer roles on the list account for just 8.6% of all 457 holders (rather than the 28-30% it would be if across the board, and the higher percentage it should be if the 'rort' roles were targeted). 18 of the roles haven't been used for 457 visas in the last decade, and a further 46 haven't be used in the past year.

Meanwhile chef, plumber, etc. are still there.

In other words, this is a con to try and look like it's doing something, by getting rid of roles that actually WOULD be hard to fill in Australia.

Malcolm Turnbull's new visa jobs list would affect just 9 per cent of 457 holders: Shorten

Plus, of course, the 457 is only a small fraction of the total workforce - so only 0.1% of jobs are affected with the changes.

Totally in the noise and solving nothing - nice one Trunbull, good to see you are keeping up the track record.
What is wrong with a plumber and chef being on the list. Have you ever tried to hire one of those outside a city? Near impossible
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What is wrong with a plumber and chef being on the list. Have you ever tried to hire one of those outside a city? Near impossible
What city do you live outside that you find it impossible to hire a plumber, and do you hire a chef on the odd occasion what a load of rubbish,
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457, RSMS and ENS types are all prone to being flaunted by one side or the other and are rarely "policed" adequately.

However it would have been a good idea to start at the sharp end and clamp down on family sponsorship visas. Stop the hundreds of family members who don't go through the same criteria.
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Because in reality you can and should be training up locals to do those jobs in relatively short time - any shortage is purely down to local training failures and red tape.

Whereas aircraft pilot? That takes a LOT of training, money etc. over many years and an aptitude, AND they are in demand at the moment - with aussie pilots going to SE Asia and MENA to take advantage of the pay packets they can get.

The rhetoric of Trunbull and the potato don't match the reality of their actions.
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Because in reality you can and should be training up locals to do those jobs in relatively short time - any shortage is purely down to local training failures and red tape.

Whereas aircraft pilot? That takes a LOT of training, money etc. over many years and an aptitude, AND they are in demand at the moment - with aussie pilots going to SE Asia and MENA to take advantage of the pay packets they can get.

The rhetoric of Trunbull and the potato don't match the reality of their actions.
Are you saying that Aussies aren't up to the task of being pilots? You can blame every 457 ever issued on inadequate local training if you wanted to be like that, you can't really pick and choose. Except for mine, no-one in Aus is as good as me
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