1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Dec 11th 2006, 1:18 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by esperanza
It's because we can! I wonder how many Australians there are in the UK, it must go at least some way to balancing it out.
I also wonder how many of those Brits abroad are there permanently.
I would think that living in different countries is something that will become increasingly common for any people who can afford to do it - the world is a smaller place, we are part of a global community. It's great!
I also wonder how many of those Brits abroad are there permanently.
I would think that living in different countries is something that will become increasingly common for any people who can afford to do it - the world is a smaller place, we are part of a global community. It's great!
If there are 1.3 million Britons in Australia, that is some 2.15% of the population.
Dec 11th 2006, 1:20 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by tableland
I'd agree with this because if you look at the figures most Brits are moving to warm countries (with the exception of Canada), and the warm weather is key in the "better lifestyle" debate. Who wants to be old and slipping arse over elbows on an icy pavement en route to the paper shop every day?
I would argue that pull factors are more powerful, though many Brits feel disgruntled about what they see as the "Europeanisation" of their country, so they "strike out" in the pioneer spirit because they read stories of cheaper land and lower population densities, etc.
I would argue that pull factors are more powerful, though many Brits feel disgruntled about what they see as the "Europeanisation" of their country, so they "strike out" in the pioneer spirit because they read stories of cheaper land and lower population densities, etc.
It's difficult for me although I am an Aussie with dual nationality to fully understand the motives why people leave the UK. The weather one is easy (we've had rain in this part of Scotland for virtually every day in the last 5-6 weeks and coupled with high winds every day it just gets you down! Having said that, we are well into Dec, haven't had a severe frost, any snow or a really cold day, my grass is still growing and needs to be cut and it's global warming and all that )OzTennis
Dec 11th 2006, 1:21 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
It doesn't take a genius to work out why so many people on BE are so down on the UK - they're all leaving or left! If you asked a different set of people you would get a different set of answers.
In terms of moving to Australia, I'd agree that the 'pull' is stronger than the 'push' - if it was just the push that was the main factor then Brits would be more evenly spread out in other countries.
I don't think there is a country in the world that doesn't suffer from crime, unemployment, etc etc etc - it's not restricted to the 'western' world. The key for each individual must be to find a country where for THEM the pros outweigh the cons. And the only way to find out is to go and try it - which it seems that increasing numbers of Brits are doing. Good on them too, at least they are doing something about it rather than sitting on their ar$es in the UK.
Should remember also that there are hundreds of thousands of people who would give their right arm to be in the UK - it is not the miserable hellhole that some people seem to see it as. Got quite a lot going for it really! Just not weather...
In terms of moving to Australia, I'd agree that the 'pull' is stronger than the 'push' - if it was just the push that was the main factor then Brits would be more evenly spread out in other countries.
I don't think there is a country in the world that doesn't suffer from crime, unemployment, etc etc etc - it's not restricted to the 'western' world. The key for each individual must be to find a country where for THEM the pros outweigh the cons. And the only way to find out is to go and try it - which it seems that increasing numbers of Brits are doing. Good on them too, at least they are doing something about it rather than sitting on their ar$es in the UK.
Should remember also that there are hundreds of thousands of people who would give their right arm to be in the UK - it is not the miserable hellhole that some people seem to see it as. Got quite a lot going for it really! Just not weather...
Dec 11th 2006, 1:23 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by Barcop
106,404 people born in Australia were in the UK in 2001, some 0.19% of the population.
If there are 1.3 million Britons in Australia, that is some 2.15% of the population.
If there are 1.3 million Britons in Australia, that is some 2.15% of the population.
Is that 2.5% of the UK population is in Australia, or Brits in Oz make up 2.5% of the Australian population? I'm guessing the latter?
Also I wonder where the figures came from - is it people with visas, or everyone? (Not arguing with them, just interested to know what they really mean)
Dec 11th 2006, 1:26 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by Barcop
106,404 people born in Australia were in the UK in 2001, some 0.19% of the population.
If there are 1.3 million Britons in Australia, that is some 2.15% of the population.
If there are 1.3 million Britons in Australia, that is some 2.15% of the population.
I meant to add earlier that another important emigrating factor is what I call the 'Neighbours/Home and Away/A Place in the Sun' factor (which again is a Pull factor). Although in my case East Enders/Corrie would be a Push factor!
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Dec 11th 2006, 1:26 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by OzTennis
Yep, this is a real 'I would agree' thread. It's difficult for me although I am an Aussie with dual nationality to fully understand the motives why people leave the UK. The weather one is easy (we've had rain in this part of Scotland for virtually every day in the last 5-6 weeks and coupled with high winds every day it just gets you down! Having said that, we are well into Dec, haven't had a severe frost, any snow or a really cold day, my grass is still growing and needs to be cut and it's global warming and all that )
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It's difficult for me although I am an Aussie with dual nationality to fully understand the motives why people leave the UK. The weather one is easy (we've had rain in this part of Scotland for virtually every day in the last 5-6 weeks and coupled with high winds every day it just gets you down! Having said that, we are well into Dec, haven't had a severe frost, any snow or a really cold day, my grass is still growing and needs to be cut and it's global warming and all that )OzTennis
Also, people regularly report how "friendly" Australians and Canadian are, and paint a sepia-toned 1950s picture of life in these countries, compared with what they see as a fairly advanced industrial and squashed-together Britain.
Chuck in the warm weather and to many Brits it's a no-brainer, as they say Stateside.
I would say that main causes for leaving are:
1. Weather
2. Too many people
3. Expensive houses/fuel
4. "bloody Brussels"
All just thoughts, of course.
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Dec 11th 2006, 1:29 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by esperanza
It doesn't take a genius to work out why so many people on BE are so down on the UK - they're all leaving or left! If you asked a different set of people you would get a different set of answers.
In terms of moving to Australia, I'd agree that the 'pull' is stronger than the 'push' - if it was just the push that was the main factor then Brits would be more evenly spread out in other countries.
I don't think there is a country in the world that doesn't suffer from crime, unemployment, etc etc etc - it's not restricted to the 'western' world. The key for each individual must be to find a country where for THEM the pros outweigh the cons. And the only way to find out is to go and try it - which it seems that increasing numbers of Brits are doing. Good on them too, at least they are doing something about it rather than sitting on their ar$es in the UK.
Should remember also that there are hundreds of thousands of people who would give their right arm to be in the UK - it is not the miserable hellhole that some people seem to see it as. Got quite a lot going for it really! Just not weather...
In terms of moving to Australia, I'd agree that the 'pull' is stronger than the 'push' - if it was just the push that was the main factor then Brits would be more evenly spread out in other countries.
I don't think there is a country in the world that doesn't suffer from crime, unemployment, etc etc etc - it's not restricted to the 'western' world. The key for each individual must be to find a country where for THEM the pros outweigh the cons. And the only way to find out is to go and try it - which it seems that increasing numbers of Brits are doing. Good on them too, at least they are doing something about it rather than sitting on their ar$es in the UK.
Should remember also that there are hundreds of thousands of people who would give their right arm to be in the UK - it is not the miserable hellhole that some people seem to see it as. Got quite a lot going for it really! Just not weather...
In their case the main reason for emigrating is Push factors!
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Dec 11th 2006, 1:30 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by tableland
I might be well off course here, but I have a feeling that many British people see Australia as what Britain used to be like. I wonder if they see Australia as a more homogeneous society and one without the "corrupting" influence of the EU. I stress that I'm not saying this is my view, but "bloody Brussels" is often mentioned round these parts, and because the EU's influence in Britain has risen in conjunction with the rise in crime and corruption in the country, many Brits pin the blame on Europe, and go to Australia because "they're like us".
Chuck in the warm weather and to many Brits it's a no-brainer, as they say Stateside.
All just thoughts, of course.
Chuck in the warm weather and to many Brits it's a no-brainer, as they say Stateside.
All just thoughts, of course.
Oztennis - do you think Australians are "like us"? The more I find out the more I think that it will be a bit of a culture shock for me when I arrive there.
Dec 11th 2006, 1:35 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by tableland
I might be well off course here, but I have a feeling that many British people see Australia as what Britain used to be like. I wonder if they see Australia as a more homogeneous society and one without the "corrupting" influence of the EU. I stress that I'm not saying this is my view, but "bloody Brussels" is often mentioned round these parts, and because the EU's influence in Britain has risen in conjunction with the rise in crime and corruption in the country, many Brits pin the blame on Europe, and go to Australia because "they're like us".
Also, people regularly report how "friendly" Australians and Canadian are, and paint a sepia-toned 1950s picture of life in these countries, compared with what they see as a fairly advanced industrial and squashed-together Britain.
Chuck in the warm weather and to many Brits it's a no-brainer, as they say Stateside.
All just thoughts, of course.
Also, people regularly report how "friendly" Australians and Canadian are, and paint a sepia-toned 1950s picture of life in these countries, compared with what they see as a fairly advanced industrial and squashed-together Britain.
Chuck in the warm weather and to many Brits it's a no-brainer, as they say Stateside.
All just thoughts, of course.
For example, I witnessed the farce last night of the BBC Sports Personality Award if ever proof of deference to 'class' was needed. For those who don't know it was won by Dame Zara Phillips - it was supposedly voted on by the great British public and this is what they came up with. A royal who participates in a tiny minority sport only open to the rich and privileged. How Darren Clarke didn't win it (as a symbol of the Ryder Cup team and after all he went through) told me a lot. St Helens were team of the year and their Aussie coach was coach of the year - lots of votes from St Helens area methinks!
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Dec 11th 2006, 1:36 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by esperanza
Interesting... I hardly ever hear about 'bloody brussels'. Don't think EU can be blamed for rises in crime/corruption, but the human rights thing does my head in - rapists being compensated for time served, druggies compensated for going cold-turkey, illegal immigrants given colour tvs, etc etc. Not that I'm leaving because of those things, but I will be glad to leave it behind.
Oztennis - do you think Australians are "like us"? The more I find out the more I think that it will be a bit of a culture shock for me when I arrive there.
Oztennis - do you think Australians are "like us"? The more I find out the more I think that it will be a bit of a culture shock for me when I arrive there.
It's a one-way street remember, because apart from those with the bickies to invest and buy 324 properties in Poland and watch their value soar, continental Europe is out of reach to most Brits because they only speak English. However, Britain is Destination Numero Uno for most Europeans because English is the one language they can all speak apart from their native languages.
So the "no borders" in the EU benefits some (the rich, of course, and eastern Europeans) more than it benefits others (the poor, the British).
Dec 11th 2006, 1:39 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by tableland
Europe can't be blamed for everything, and has brought many benefits to Britain (the Human Rights Act not one of them of course). Actually, I'm not sure the full gravity of "no borders" in Europe has really sunk in with many Brits - or maybe it has and that explains the thousands leaving every week.....
It's a one-way street remember, because apart from those with the bickies to invest and buy 324 properties in Poland and watch their value soar, continental Europe is out of reach to most Brits because they only speak English. However, Britain is Destination Numero Uno for most Europeans because English is the one language they can all speak apart from their native languages.
So the "no borders" in the EU benefits some (the rich, of course, and eastern Europeans) more than it benefits others (the poor, the British).
It's a one-way street remember, because apart from those with the bickies to invest and buy 324 properties in Poland and watch their value soar, continental Europe is out of reach to most Brits because they only speak English. However, Britain is Destination Numero Uno for most Europeans because English is the one language they can all speak apart from their native languages.
So the "no borders" in the EU benefits some (the rich, of course, and eastern Europeans) more than it benefits others (the poor, the British).
Hopefully in the future we Brits will realise that we need to make more of an effort to take advantage of the opportunites out there and we will start taking foreign languages seriously! It drives me crazy to hear the 'well they all speak english' argument from people who can't be bothered to learn something new. (NB this is not directed at any one on here)
Dec 11th 2006, 1:41 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by OzTennis
Good points! As I said earlier the Neighbours/Home and Away type factor. Life looks a lot easier in these soaps. I'm sure it must always be felt by Brits that there is more deference to class and breeding in the UK and that countries like Australia are more egalitarian where it is easier to make it if you are prepared to have a go (I'm not saying this is actually true but a perception).
For example, I witnessed the farce last night of the BBC Sports Personality Award if ever proof of deference to 'class' was needed. For those who don't know it was won by Dame Zara Phillips - it was supposedly voted on by the great British public and this is what they came up with. A royal who participates in a tiny minority sport only open to the rich and privileged. How Darren Clarke didn't win it (as a symbol of the Ryder Cup team and after all he went through) told me a lot. St Helens were team of the year and their Aussie coach was coach of the year - lots of votes from St Helens area methinks!
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For example, I witnessed the farce last night of the BBC Sports Personality Award if ever proof of deference to 'class' was needed. For those who don't know it was won by Dame Zara Phillips - it was supposedly voted on by the great British public and this is what they came up with. A royal who participates in a tiny minority sport only open to the rich and privileged. How Darren Clarke didn't win it (as a symbol of the Ryder Cup team and after all he went through) told me a lot. St Helens were team of the year and their Aussie coach was coach of the year - lots of votes from St Helens area methinks!
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This is not a party political broadcast but I thought the same thing when I read about the shadow cabinet. I can't remember the exact figures right now, but you wouldn't believe how many of them were sons and daughters of senior naval officers or baronets or eton and oxbridge educated.
I thought that this is 2006, and nothing has changed since 1306. Maybe i should add this list to reasons to leave...
Having said that - Alexander Downer is from a pretty privileged background???
Dec 11th 2006, 1:44 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by esperanza
Hopefully in the future we Brits will realise that we need to make more of an effort to take advantage of the opportunites out there and we will start taking foreign languages seriously! It drives me crazy to hear the 'well they all speak english' argument from people who can't be bothered to learn something new. (NB this is not directed at any one on here)
But that would be way too sensible.
Dec 11th 2006, 1:51 pm
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by tableland
I saw this and thought exactly the same thing. Nearly 1000 years since the Norman Invasion and the royals are lining up to collect the awards - and for that ancient symbol of privilege - the horse.
This is not a party political broadcast but I thought the same thing when I read about the shadow cabinet. I can't remember the exact figures right now, but you wouldn't believe how many of them were sons and daughters of senior naval officers or baronets or eton and oxbridge educated.
I thought that this is 2006, and nothing has changed since 1306. Maybe i should add this list to reasons to leave..
This is not a party political broadcast but I thought the same thing when I read about the shadow cabinet. I can't remember the exact figures right now, but you wouldn't believe how many of them were sons and daughters of senior naval officers or baronets or eton and oxbridge educated.
I thought that this is 2006, and nothing has changed since 1306. Maybe i should add this list to reasons to leave..
When I heard she was nominated I thought that was nice - why should she be excluded because of being royal? In the paper there was a list of other nominees, and I hadn't even heard of half of them. It's also nice that a more minority sport has been recognised instead of rubgy/football/cricket. Historically, what proportion of the sports awards have gone to royals? Can't be a lot.
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Re: 1.3 million Brits resident in Australia
Originally Posted by OzTennis
For example, I witnessed the farce last night of the BBC Sports Personality Award if ever proof of deference to 'class' was needed. For those who don't know it was won by Dame Zara Phillips - it was supposedly voted on by the great British public and this is what they came up with. A royal who participates in a tiny minority sport only open to the rich and privileged. How Darren Clarke didn't win it (as a symbol of the Ryder Cup team and after all he went through) told me a lot. St Helens were team of the year and their Aussie coach was coach of the year - lots of votes from St Helens area methinks!
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I think DC didnt win because of the news that broke over the weekend about his private life, thats how fickle people can be.
Eventing is not as exclusive as you would think, my partner does it, we live in a rented house and she is a bar manager, hardly high class. We spend a hell of a lot of the year fund raising, sitting in boring meetings and even duller meals with a whole range of people to try and get the money together to compete, and sometimes it is very hit and miss. I have to say that a great deal of people are in the same boat, and my partner was a grammar school girl, not a private one.
For me the biggest insult was when Elen Mcarther didnt win it, she is an inspiration to us all, and went through hell and back, always alone just to push herself, and it an area where we are world beaters, sailing.