$43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
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Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
I'm not so sure on this particular point. I understand the Government will still be seeking investment for 49% of the cost - maybe Telstra will see fit to bid for a slice of the cake?
I also wonder if, when the Government detail all the extra jobs this will create, they have factored in the redundancies from Telstra?
I also wonder if, when the Government detail all the extra jobs this will create, they have factored in the redundancies from Telstra?
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Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
The whole will be a huge bloody white elephant. Apparently the government is projecting an eight year build period - most of the hardware will be out of date in 2-3 years to start off with and will be old-fashioned junk in 5. Another analysis projects that customers will need to double their current broadband spending to make it pay.
And the worst bit of all - I bet Conroy gets his nice "family friendly" internet after all, especially since the Fed's are bankrolling the whole project - snooper "decency" gateways at every international satellite/cable link perhaps ?
We had a quick run around the office with this and every single person [all of whom work in IT at a highly technical level] thinks it is a colossal waste of government money that promises the earth and will deliver bugger-all in reality - it will be quietly canned after 2 years.
There's a big list of infrastructure projects that Australia needs and I don't think high-speed porn delivery [oh sorry, that will be banned] is top of the list.
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Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
Good news, it cant come quick enough. The internet in Geraldton is bloomin lousy. Its slow and I tried downloading a tv programme from itunes and it didnt work so well.
So hope its going rural and I can dump telstra.
Gems
So hope its going rural and I can dump telstra.
Gems
#20
Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
Every country that's remotely interested in upgrading its national network has turned to fibre; hell, even the UK is doing it. What would you suggest as an alternative?
We had a quick run around the office with this and every single person [all of whom work in IT at a highly technical level] thinks it is a colossal waste of government money that promises the earth and will deliver bugger-all in reality - it will be quietly canned after 2 years.
There's a big list of infrastructure projects that Australia needs and I don't think high-speed porn delivery [oh sorry, that will be banned] is top of the list.
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Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
Can't even get telstra to put adsl2 in our exchange, so I won't be holding my breath for fibre.
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Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
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The whole will be a huge bloody white elephant. Apparently the government is projecting an eight year build period - most of the hardware will be out of date in 2-3 years to start off with and will be old-fashioned junk in 5. Another analysis projects that customers will need to double their current broadband spending to make it pay.
And the worst bit of all - I bet Conroy gets his nice "family friendly" internet after all, especially since the Fed's are bankrolling the whole project - snooper "decency" gateways at every international satellite/cable link perhaps ?
We had a quick run around the office with this and every single person [all of whom work in IT at a highly technical level] thinks it is a colossal waste of government money that promises the earth and will deliver bugger-all in reality - it will be quietly canned after 2 years.
There's a big list of infrastructure projects that Australia needs and I don't think high-speed porn delivery [oh sorry, that will be banned] is top of the list.
</rant>
The whole will be a huge bloody white elephant. Apparently the government is projecting an eight year build period - most of the hardware will be out of date in 2-3 years to start off with and will be old-fashioned junk in 5. Another analysis projects that customers will need to double their current broadband spending to make it pay.
And the worst bit of all - I bet Conroy gets his nice "family friendly" internet after all, especially since the Fed's are bankrolling the whole project - snooper "decency" gateways at every international satellite/cable link perhaps ?
We had a quick run around the office with this and every single person [all of whom work in IT at a highly technical level] thinks it is a colossal waste of government money that promises the earth and will deliver bugger-all in reality - it will be quietly canned after 2 years.
There's a big list of infrastructure projects that Australia needs and I don't think high-speed porn delivery [oh sorry, that will be banned] is top of the list.
</rant>
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Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
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The whole will be a huge bloody white elephant. Apparently the government is projecting an eight year build period - most of the hardware will be out of date in 2-3 years to start off with and will be old-fashioned junk in 5. Another analysis projects that customers will need to double their current broadband spending to make it pay.
And the worst bit of all - I bet Conroy gets his nice "family friendly" internet after all, especially since the Fed's are bankrolling the whole project - snooper "decency" gateways at every international satellite/cable link perhaps ?
We had a quick run around the office with this and every single person [all of whom work in IT at a highly technical level] thinks it is a colossal waste of government money that promises the earth and will deliver bugger-all in reality - it will be quietly canned after 2 years.
There's a big list of infrastructure projects that Australia needs and I don't think high-speed porn delivery [oh sorry, that will be banned] is top of the list.
</rant>
The whole will be a huge bloody white elephant. Apparently the government is projecting an eight year build period - most of the hardware will be out of date in 2-3 years to start off with and will be old-fashioned junk in 5. Another analysis projects that customers will need to double their current broadband spending to make it pay.
And the worst bit of all - I bet Conroy gets his nice "family friendly" internet after all, especially since the Fed's are bankrolling the whole project - snooper "decency" gateways at every international satellite/cable link perhaps ?
We had a quick run around the office with this and every single person [all of whom work in IT at a highly technical level] thinks it is a colossal waste of government money that promises the earth and will deliver bugger-all in reality - it will be quietly canned after 2 years.
There's a big list of infrastructure projects that Australia needs and I don't think high-speed porn delivery [oh sorry, that will be banned] is top of the list.
</rant>
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Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
I thought the whole point was that they're spending what we do have, as a result of the Liberals' careful management of the economy.
I don't recall Johnny H leaving us with massive budget deficit.
I don't recall Johnny H leaving us with massive budget deficit.
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Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
LOL that's already been p*ssed up against the wall, this is new borrowing stuff that we will be paying for for decades. Another example of the government not having a clue. I would think that there would be better infrastructure projects which wont be obsolete before they even get past the planning stage and you know about costings - if it is $43bn now it will be well over $100bn before it even begins to get close to operation if it ever does. This mob couldnt unroll a toilet roll with any degree of competence.
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Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
Wow - so many upbeat forward thinking people on the forum - and all so well-informed.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but amongst the many things that the British immigrants on this forum piss and whine about, is the state of the Internet in this country. It's too slow, they whinge - I can't get anything better than dial-up, they complain - back in the UK I had a 15Gb line and unlimited downloads, they remonstrate. So along come the government and they pledge to put in place a nationwide fibre network that will have the capacity and longevity to cope with all forthcoming developments that will take place online - and they whinge about that too.
Sweet jesus - what does it take to please you people?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but amongst the many things that the British immigrants on this forum piss and whine about, is the state of the Internet in this country. It's too slow, they whinge - I can't get anything better than dial-up, they complain - back in the UK I had a 15Gb line and unlimited downloads, they remonstrate. So along come the government and they pledge to put in place a nationwide fibre network that will have the capacity and longevity to cope with all forthcoming developments that will take place online - and they whinge about that too.
Sweet jesus - what does it take to please you people?
#28
Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
What, all of it? Where did it go? What was it spent on?
What "new borrowing"? When did this borrowing occur? What was the figure? Was it announced by the government?
The big ISPs seem rather pleased; apparently the government is doing exactly what it should have done:
Broadband customers will be the winners if the Federal Government delivers an eight-year project to build its own fibreoptic network covering Australia, says Internode managing director Simon Hackett.
"I'm gobsmacked," he said – "In a good way!". He continued: "If they do what they promise, they've actually got it right and Australia might just turn into a broadband front-runner country 10 years from now.
"This is exactly the outcome I’ve been arguing for, for ages – most recently at a national telecommunications conference in December 2008.
"So while I’m naturally pleased that the government has decided to opt for the right technical solution (a new FTTH network on a wholesale only basis, independent of Telstra), I’m astonished that they’ve been brave enough to do it. In these challenging economic times, such nation-building investment is exactly the right response to the telecommunications challenges Australia faces for the next decade".
[...]
Net, Australia's third largest ISP, also welcomed the announcement. Managing Director, Michael Malone, said the plan was the best news made for the Australian telecommunications sector in decades.
"This is the best of all possible outcomes and will ensure Australians have access to fast, affordable and competitive broadband," Malone said.
"In terms of the key criteria we were looking for in a National Broadband Network - open access, structural separation, fixing backhaul 'black spots' and regulatory reform - the Government has delivered".
Malone said not only would consumers benefit but the Australian telecommunications industry would be better off with increased competition, innovation and jobs.
Source.
this is new borrowing stuff that we will be paying for for decades. Another example of the government not having a clue.
The big ISPs seem rather pleased; apparently the government is doing exactly what it should have done:
Broadband customers will be the winners if the Federal Government delivers an eight-year project to build its own fibreoptic network covering Australia, says Internode managing director Simon Hackett.
"I'm gobsmacked," he said – "In a good way!". He continued: "If they do what they promise, they've actually got it right and Australia might just turn into a broadband front-runner country 10 years from now.
"This is exactly the outcome I’ve been arguing for, for ages – most recently at a national telecommunications conference in December 2008.
"So while I’m naturally pleased that the government has decided to opt for the right technical solution (a new FTTH network on a wholesale only basis, independent of Telstra), I’m astonished that they’ve been brave enough to do it. In these challenging economic times, such nation-building investment is exactly the right response to the telecommunications challenges Australia faces for the next decade".
[...]
Net, Australia's third largest ISP, also welcomed the announcement. Managing Director, Michael Malone, said the plan was the best news made for the Australian telecommunications sector in decades.
"This is the best of all possible outcomes and will ensure Australians have access to fast, affordable and competitive broadband," Malone said.
"In terms of the key criteria we were looking for in a National Broadband Network - open access, structural separation, fixing backhaul 'black spots' and regulatory reform - the Government has delivered".
Malone said not only would consumers benefit but the Australian telecommunications industry would be better off with increased competition, innovation and jobs.
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#29
Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
What, all of it? Where did it go? What was it spent on?
What "new borrowing"? When did this borrowing occur? What was the figure? Was it announced by the government?
The big ISPs seem rather pleased; apparently the government is doing exactly what it should have done:
Broadband customers will be the winners if the Federal Government delivers an eight-year project to build its own fibreoptic network covering Australia, says Internode managing director Simon Hackett.
"I'm gobsmacked," he said – "In a good way!". He continued: "If they do what they promise, they've actually got it right and Australia might just turn into a broadband front-runner country 10 years from now.
"This is exactly the outcome I’ve been arguing for, for ages – most recently at a national telecommunications conference in December 2008.
"So while I’m naturally pleased that the government has decided to opt for the right technical solution (a new FTTH network on a wholesale only basis, independent of Telstra), I’m astonished that they’ve been brave enough to do it. In these challenging economic times, such nation-building investment is exactly the right response to the telecommunications challenges Australia faces for the next decade".
[...]
Net, Australia's third largest ISP, also welcomed the announcement. Managing Director, Michael Malone, said the plan was the best news made for the Australian telecommunications sector in decades.
"This is the best of all possible outcomes and will ensure Australians have access to fast, affordable and competitive broadband," Malone said.
"In terms of the key criteria we were looking for in a National Broadband Network - open access, structural separation, fixing backhaul 'black spots' and regulatory reform - the Government has delivered".
Malone said not only would consumers benefit but the Australian telecommunications industry would be better off with increased competition, innovation and jobs.
Source.
What "new borrowing"? When did this borrowing occur? What was the figure? Was it announced by the government?
The big ISPs seem rather pleased; apparently the government is doing exactly what it should have done:
Broadband customers will be the winners if the Federal Government delivers an eight-year project to build its own fibreoptic network covering Australia, says Internode managing director Simon Hackett.
"I'm gobsmacked," he said – "In a good way!". He continued: "If they do what they promise, they've actually got it right and Australia might just turn into a broadband front-runner country 10 years from now.
"This is exactly the outcome I’ve been arguing for, for ages – most recently at a national telecommunications conference in December 2008.
"So while I’m naturally pleased that the government has decided to opt for the right technical solution (a new FTTH network on a wholesale only basis, independent of Telstra), I’m astonished that they’ve been brave enough to do it. In these challenging economic times, such nation-building investment is exactly the right response to the telecommunications challenges Australia faces for the next decade".
[...]
Net, Australia's third largest ISP, also welcomed the announcement. Managing Director, Michael Malone, said the plan was the best news made for the Australian telecommunications sector in decades.
"This is the best of all possible outcomes and will ensure Australians have access to fast, affordable and competitive broadband," Malone said.
"In terms of the key criteria we were looking for in a National Broadband Network - open access, structural separation, fixing backhaul 'black spots' and regulatory reform - the Government has delivered".
Malone said not only would consumers benefit but the Australian telecommunications industry would be better off with increased competition, innovation and jobs.
I think some of the negative responses on this thread have been more about who made the decision rather than the technical feasibility or benefit to the country. Not all mind, just some
#30
Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light
They say they will set up a company to do it. Right. And this company will magically produce thousands of saavy IT engineers to buld this. Or will they just sub-contract to Optus, Telstra, Vodaphone etc.
So in reality, the 'company' is just another layer between those doing the work and the government.
Because the alternative is that the government literally builds it, and if you've ever worked in a government IT department i'd stick with your 28K dial up modem.
JTL