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Old Apr 7th 2009, 7:44 am
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Originally Posted by harrip
I'm not so sure on this particular point. I understand the Government will still be seeking investment for 49% of the cost - maybe Telstra will see fit to bid for a slice of the cake?

I also wonder if, when the Government detail all the extra jobs this will create, they have factored in the redundancies from Telstra?
Acccording to the linked SMH article - "The Telstra alternative strategy entails shifting fixed-line customers onto its cable network and third-generation NextG mobile network."
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Acccording to the linked SMH article - "The Telstra alternative strategy entails shifting fixed-line customers onto its cable network and third-generation NextG mobile network."
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The whole will be a huge bloody white elephant. Apparently the government is projecting an eight year build period - most of the hardware will be out of date in 2-3 years to start off with and will be old-fashioned junk in 5. Another analysis projects that customers will need to double their current broadband spending to make it pay.

And the worst bit of all - I bet Conroy gets his nice "family friendly" internet after all, especially since the Fed's are bankrolling the whole project - snooper "decency" gateways at every international satellite/cable link perhaps ?

We had a quick run around the office with this and every single person [all of whom work in IT at a highly technical level] thinks it is a colossal waste of government money that promises the earth and will deliver bugger-all in reality - it will be quietly canned after 2 years.

There's a big list of infrastructure projects that Australia needs and I don't think high-speed porn delivery [oh sorry, that will be banned] is top of the list.

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Any day now, I believe. Got an email from Internode the other day which suggested that they've also upgraded the big city nodes to cope with the extra bandwidth.
3rd August 2009 is the current estimate for a go live date for PPC-1

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Good news, it cant come quick enough. The internet in Geraldton is bloomin lousy. Its slow and I tried downloading a tv programme from itunes and it didnt work so well.

So hope its going rural and I can dump telstra.

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The whole will be a huge bloody white elephant. Apparently the government is projecting an eight year build period - most of the hardware will be out of date in 2-3 years to start off with and will be old-fashioned junk in 5.
Considering that copper was viable technology for more than 100 years, I'd be interested to know of anything that renders fibre redundant in less than 10. Care to share the details of this staggering technological breakthrough?

Every country that's remotely interested in upgrading its national network has turned to fibre; hell, even the UK is doing it. What would you suggest as an alternative?

We had a quick run around the office with this and every single person [all of whom work in IT at a highly technical level] thinks it is a colossal waste of government money that promises the earth and will deliver bugger-all in reality - it will be quietly canned after 2 years.
They'll be free to laugh when this actually happens. Until then, they're merely speculating.

There's a big list of infrastructure projects that Australia needs and I don't think high-speed porn delivery [oh sorry, that will be banned] is top of the list.
I don't recally those other infrastructure projects being shelved, so I think it's safe to say that they'll be worked on concurrently.
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Can't even get telstra to put adsl2 in our exchange, so I won't be holding my breath for fibre.
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Default Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light

Originally Posted by hoofie2002
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The whole will be a huge bloody white elephant. Apparently the government is projecting an eight year build period - most of the hardware will be out of date in 2-3 years to start off with and will be old-fashioned junk in 5. Another analysis projects that customers will need to double their current broadband spending to make it pay.

And the worst bit of all - I bet Conroy gets his nice "family friendly" internet after all, especially since the Fed's are bankrolling the whole project - snooper "decency" gateways at every international satellite/cable link perhaps ?

We had a quick run around the office with this and every single person [all of whom work in IT at a highly technical level] thinks it is a colossal waste of government money that promises the earth and will deliver bugger-all in reality - it will be quietly canned after 2 years.

There's a big list of infrastructure projects that Australia needs and I don't think high-speed porn delivery [oh sorry, that will be banned] is top of the list.

</rant>
I tend to agree with you. I was used to 15MB/sec in the US and quite honestly don't find much difference, given the use I make of the internet, with my 512KB/sec. The only real use of such high speeds (apart from such things as medical imaging and diagnosis and the like) is video, and if people take that up in a big way I can see the systems being overloaded. And I expect Micro$oft will find ways of using the bandwidth just running the operating systems of Windows 10!
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Default Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light

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The whole will be a huge bloody white elephant. Apparently the government is projecting an eight year build period - most of the hardware will be out of date in 2-3 years to start off with and will be old-fashioned junk in 5. Another analysis projects that customers will need to double their current broadband spending to make it pay.

And the worst bit of all - I bet Conroy gets his nice "family friendly" internet after all, especially since the Fed's are bankrolling the whole project - snooper "decency" gateways at every international satellite/cable link perhaps ?

We had a quick run around the office with this and every single person [all of whom work in IT at a highly technical level] thinks it is a colossal waste of government money that promises the earth and will deliver bugger-all in reality - it will be quietly canned after 2 years.

There's a big list of infrastructure projects that Australia needs and I don't think high-speed porn delivery [oh sorry, that will be banned] is top of the list.

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I agree completely. My tax dollar at work. By work I mean being flushed down the sewer with little other purpose that to keep the same bullshit moving.
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I agree completely. My tax dollar at work. By work I mean being flushed down the sewer with little other purpose that to keep the same bullshit moving.

This is what Labor governments do, spend what we dont have.
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I thought the whole point was that they're spending what we do have, as a result of the Liberals' careful management of the economy.

I don't recall Johnny H leaving us with massive budget deficit.
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I thought the whole point was that they're spending what we do have, as a result of the Liberals' careful management of the economy.

I don't recall Johnny H leaving us with massive budget deficit.
LOL that's already been p*ssed up against the wall, this is new borrowing stuff that we will be paying for for decades. Another example of the government not having a clue. I would think that there would be better infrastructure projects which wont be obsolete before they even get past the planning stage and you know about costings - if it is $43bn now it will be well over $100bn before it even begins to get close to operation if it ever does. This mob couldnt unroll a toilet roll with any degree of competence.
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Wow - so many upbeat forward thinking people on the forum - and all so well-informed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but amongst the many things that the British immigrants on this forum piss and whine about, is the state of the Internet in this country. It's too slow, they whinge - I can't get anything better than dial-up, they complain - back in the UK I had a 15Gb line and unlimited downloads, they remonstrate. So along come the government and they pledge to put in place a nationwide fibre network that will have the capacity and longevity to cope with all forthcoming developments that will take place online - and they whinge about that too.

Sweet jesus - what does it take to please you people?
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LOL that's already been p*ssed up against the wall
What, all of it? Where did it go? What was it spent on?

this is new borrowing stuff that we will be paying for for decades. Another example of the government not having a clue.
What "new borrowing"? When did this borrowing occur? What was the figure? Was it announced by the government?

The big ISPs seem rather pleased; apparently the government is doing exactly what it should have done:

Broadband customers will be the winners if the Federal Government delivers an eight-year project to build its own fibreoptic network covering Australia, says Internode managing director Simon Hackett.

"I'm gobsmacked," he said – "In a good way!". He continued: "If they do what they promise, they've actually got it right and Australia might just turn into a broadband front-runner country 10 years from now.

"This is exactly the outcome I’ve been arguing for, for ages – most recently at a national telecommunications conference in December 2008.

"So while I’m naturally pleased that the government has decided to opt for the right technical solution (a new FTTH network on a wholesale only basis, independent of Telstra), I’m astonished that they’ve been brave enough to do it. In these challenging economic times, such nation-building investment is exactly the right response to the telecommunications challenges Australia faces for the next decade".

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Net, Australia's third largest ISP, also welcomed the announcement. Managing Director, Michael Malone, said the plan was the best news made for the Australian telecommunications sector in decades.

"This is the best of all possible outcomes and will ensure Australians have access to fast, affordable and competitive broadband," Malone said.

"In terms of the key criteria we were looking for in a National Broadband Network - open access, structural separation, fixing backhaul 'black spots' and regulatory reform - the Government has delivered".

Malone said not only would consumers benefit but the Australian telecommunications industry would be better off with increased competition, innovation and jobs.
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Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
What, all of it? Where did it go? What was it spent on?



What "new borrowing"? When did this borrowing occur? What was the figure? Was it announced by the government?

The big ISPs seem rather pleased; apparently the government is doing exactly what it should have done:

Broadband customers will be the winners if the Federal Government delivers an eight-year project to build its own fibreoptic network covering Australia, says Internode managing director Simon Hackett.

"I'm gobsmacked," he said – "In a good way!". He continued: "If they do what they promise, they've actually got it right and Australia might just turn into a broadband front-runner country 10 years from now.

"This is exactly the outcome I’ve been arguing for, for ages – most recently at a national telecommunications conference in December 2008.

"So while I’m naturally pleased that the government has decided to opt for the right technical solution (a new FTTH network on a wholesale only basis, independent of Telstra), I’m astonished that they’ve been brave enough to do it. In these challenging economic times, such nation-building investment is exactly the right response to the telecommunications challenges Australia faces for the next decade".

[...]

Net, Australia's third largest ISP, also welcomed the announcement. Managing Director, Michael Malone, said the plan was the best news made for the Australian telecommunications sector in decades.

"This is the best of all possible outcomes and will ensure Australians have access to fast, affordable and competitive broadband," Malone said.

"In terms of the key criteria we were looking for in a National Broadband Network - open access, structural separation, fixing backhaul 'black spots' and regulatory reform - the Government has delivered".

Malone said not only would consumers benefit but the Australian telecommunications industry would be better off with increased competition, innovation and jobs.
Source.
I can't believe we might finally get an independent backbone to promote true competition....what a great announcement.

I think some of the negative responses on this thread have been more about who made the decision rather than the technical feasibility or benefit to the country. Not all mind, just some
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Default Re: $43billion National Broadband Network gets green light

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So along come the government and they pledge to put in place a nationwide fibre network that will have the capacity and longevity to cope with all forthcoming developments that will take place online - and they whinge about that too.
My major problem with this is they have turned down all the current telcos offers to build this. Who is advising the government. Who will actually build this?

They say they will set up a company to do it. Right. And this company will magically produce thousands of saavy IT engineers to buld this. Or will they just sub-contract to Optus, Telstra, Vodaphone etc.

So in reality, the 'company' is just another layer between those doing the work and the government.

Because the alternative is that the government literally builds it, and if you've ever worked in a government IT department i'd stick with your 28K dial up modem.

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