$200 fine for smoking in your car.
Jan 1st 2010, 1:38 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
seems like classic nannying to me, although why they didn't go the whole hog and ban it altogether on grounds of road safety and indeed the health of adult non smokers is a bit of a mystery....
Jan 1st 2010, 1:51 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
I can't believe anyone disagrees with this rule. Firstly driving is potentially dangerous and you have a right to ensure public safety to remain focussed at all times. Dropping a cigarette accidently within your car has great potential to cause massive problems both in and out of the car. Have some respect and care for your passengers, especially children, and follow a very simple piece of advice and a bloody good law.
Oh, and an idiot crashed into my car a year ago because she was on her mobile and was unable to turn the steering wheel at the end of the street.
However, perhaps smoking and driving on your own in the middle of the desert should be ok!!
Oh, and an idiot crashed into my car a year ago because she was on her mobile and was unable to turn the steering wheel at the end of the street.
However, perhaps smoking and driving on your own in the middle of the desert should be ok!!
Jan 1st 2010, 2:00 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
I can't believe anyone disagrees with this rule. Firstly driving is potentially dangerous and you have a right to ensure public safety to remain focussed at all times. Dropping a cigarette accidently within your car has great potential to cause massive problems both in and out of the car. Have some respect and care for your passengers, especially children, and follow a very simple piece of advice and a bloody good law.
Oh, and an idiot crashed into my car a year ago because she was on her mobile and was unable to turn the steering wheel at the end of the street.
However, perhaps smoking and driving on your own in the middle of the desert should be ok!!
Oh, and an idiot crashed into my car a year ago because she was on her mobile and was unable to turn the steering wheel at the end of the street.
However, perhaps smoking and driving on your own in the middle of the desert should be ok!!
Jan 1st 2010, 2:45 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
That is a ludicrous comparison, particularly the child abuse point and probably does not even warrant a repsonse. I am shocked, disgusted and deeply offended by your insinuation that because somebody might think people should be able to smoke (a legal activity) in their own home that they also think it would be ok to abuse children.
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Jan 1st 2010, 3:32 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
You have certainly missed my point anyway. I think it is wrong to subject anyone else to cigarette smoke. I think it is disgraceful for parents to subject their children to cigarette smoke. My point is a wider one as to whether the government should legislate for what people do in their own cars / homes. Where would it end? Chips are only allowed once a week? No fizzy pop on a school night? How would these in the car / home rules be enforced? What happens to people who break them? This is my point.
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Jan 1st 2010, 3:46 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
No it is not obvious I have completely missed the point. Flyaway quite clearly made a comparison to child abuse in the home but has since apologised so don't know what your problem is. Perhaps you should read the thread more carefully.
You have certianly missed my point. I think it is wrong to subject anyone else to cigarette smoke. I think it is disgraceful for parents to subject their children to cigarette smoke. My point is a wider one as to whether the government should legislate for what people do in their own cars / homes. (When the activity itself is perfectly legal that is, before we start a conversation about is it ok to batter women and children in the home) rolleyes:
You have certianly missed my point. I think it is wrong to subject anyone else to cigarette smoke. I think it is disgraceful for parents to subject their children to cigarette smoke. My point is a wider one as to whether the government should legislate for what people do in their own cars / homes. (When the activity itself is perfectly legal that is, before we start a conversation about is it ok to batter women and children in the home) rolleyes:
Jan 1st 2010, 3:55 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
In an answer to that specific point, probably like in the UK, these laws are almost impossible to police and if caught usually little or nothing happens, the point is at least I think, is to make people think about what they are doing and at least in the eyes of others it would be instantly unacceptable to do these things, a prosecution is only usually brought in the most extreme of cases, at least that what happens in the UK.
Jan 1st 2010, 7:05 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
[QUOTE=spalen;8210682]Did I say that was correct? Nope didnt think so.
What I said I agreed to - and dont expect anyone can argue against, is that a)
Just out of interest, who do you think should be making that call... your local politician?!
What you said was "its protecting children from moron parents".
Great.... and where does that stop then?. I used the example of taking kids away from parents because they are too fat, which has already happened, and you see that as going off on a tangent.
Why?. Too my eyes its exactly the same. The State deciding you are a 'bad parent' because you are not following what the State determines is 'good practise'.
What I said I agreed to - and dont expect anyone can argue against, is that a)
some adults are morons and need state intervention because they are too dumb to make the right choices
and b) smoking in a car with kids has no positive upside to it and no major downside to making it illegal.
Hey nice tangent, pick another , then we can go round in circles
Hey nice tangent, pick another , then we can go round in circles
Great.... and where does that stop then?. I used the example of taking kids away from parents because they are too fat, which has already happened, and you see that as going off on a tangent.
Why?. Too my eyes its exactly the same. The State deciding you are a 'bad parent' because you are not following what the State determines is 'good practise'.
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Jan 1st 2010, 7:37 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
It's about time!! People that smoke around their children disgust me, especialy when the children are unable to get away and are in a confined space like a car! 
Jan 1st 2010, 8:53 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
To me its common sense not to smoke in the car with kids onboard,not to drive whilst eating my burger/pot noodle/bowl of cereal....its common sense to me not to stop on a school crossing...its common sense to me not to drink and drive...etc
I'm happy to have a "Nanny State" issuing rules and regs for all those idiots who have had a lobotomy and HAVE NO COMMON SENSE !!!
I'm happy to have a "Nanny State" issuing rules and regs for all those idiots who have had a lobotomy and HAVE NO COMMON SENSE !!!
Jan 1st 2010, 9:30 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
So I have an idea. Why don't we get the State to take kids off poor people. We can tell the kids that their parents died... and tell the parents nothing about where the kids went. It would be ideal if we could send the kids to the other side of the world to live with their new, 'better' parents.
Sound like a plan?.
Jan 1st 2010, 10:50 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
The absolute worse thing you can do for your kids health is be poor.
So I have an idea. Why don't we get the State to take kids off poor people. We can tell the kids that their parents died... and tell the parents nothing about where the kids went. It would be ideal if we could send the kids to the other side of the world to live with their new, 'better' parents.
Sound like a plan?.
So I have an idea. Why don't we get the State to take kids off poor people. We can tell the kids that their parents died... and tell the parents nothing about where the kids went. It would be ideal if we could send the kids to the other side of the world to live with their new, 'better' parents.
Sound like a plan?.
Jan 1st 2010, 11:11 pm
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
17 June 2009
Ban smoking in cars with children
Let's follow the others who seem to have done it successfully - California, South Australia and Cyprus.
This would be a piece of progressive legislation and we would quickly realise the benefits
Those of us in the medical profession, who see the results of passive smoking first hand, need to be ready to lead and make a convincing case.
Only then can we hope that necessary measures are viewed not as the 'nanny state' but as 'common sense'.
Professor Terence Stephenson
President, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, London
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8079357.stm
This would be a piece of progressive legislation and we would quickly realise the benefits
Those of us in the medical profession, who see the results of passive smoking first hand, need to be ready to lead and make a convincing case.
Only then can we hope that necessary measures are viewed not as the 'nanny state' but as 'common sense'.
Professor Terence Stephenson
President, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, London
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8079357.stm
Jan 2nd 2010, 12:09 am
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Re: $200 fine for smoking in your car.
That's not really the point though. Health campaigners will be using statistics to push through laws like these and statistically the worse thing you can be for your health is poor. So logically it must follow that we should be taking kids off poor people because it will be better for their health. Yes?