Tegwyn

I am curious to know how you get about without Mugabe's muggers at your throat? They are not exactly pulling out the welcome mat to Blair's brigade. That British passport is a dirty word to Zimbos.

Just ditch the race card thing. Heard this shyte from too many ignorant, and yes I mean ignorant tossers that use that blanket argument for what has happened to S.A. Had it been that simple, apartheid would have been abolished eons ago. European expats within were pushing for change and the political climate was changing.. We can't undo history, but we can't let current events be justified by old excuses.

Some here may sound like broken records, and probably angry too. All they wanted was to live in peace with their neighbours, regardless of colour. Alas, African history speaks for itself. I'll be first in line to warn people about the criminal element in S.A. In fact I will be first in line to tell them how those pieces of Nigerian filth have invaded the country and set up criminal mobs, using locals to do the dirty work. This I know personally. My opinion. It is a piece of geographic paradise that is turning into a hell hole. This saddens me deeply.


End of sermon, I will kick my soapbox to the side and go about my business peacefully.

Rick b

Simple, I only show my British passport at customs and at borders!! I don't pin it to my shirt!! But seriously, I have rarely had a problem in Zim with being made welcome - and that is from whites, blacks and asians. My Aunt who is living in Mablereign has been robbed once in 53 years of living there for example. Ive been broken into in London or had my car broken into 4 times in the past 3 years. Another friend who lives on Enterprise Road was held up in his house at knife point two years ago. That was the first time he had a serious situation and he hasn't had one since.

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Just ditch the race card thing. Heard this shyte from too many ignorant, and yes I mean ignorant tossers that use that blanket argument for what has happened to S.A. Had it been that simple, apartheid would have been abolished eons ago. European expats within were pushing for change and the political climate was changing.. We can't undo history, but we can't let current events be justified by old excuses.

Fair enough, as I said - it was one sentence that got picked up, with the rest of my post and questions ignored..............

I live in London, we have many many problems with Nigerian conmen here to. I also have heard from many friends the problems there are in SA with Nigerian gangs.

But as I said - warn people, show them reality as many do want to believe the grass is greener on the other side and Africa is fantastic. But agressivley chasing down their arguments? Thats why I came on here in the first place.

Tegwyn

I agree with your last statement. Safe travels and all that. Next time you see the Mugabe motorcade, please send him a one finger salute for me. Not obvious of course as we know how distressed he gets at criticism.

TouristTrap

Me too!

Campbells

You assume too much. I am British, went to SA in the 80s working on contract.

Once again you assume too much.

I was working in Europe 92 onwards and actually returned to SA just before the 94 elections. I was the one that SA people were telling me I was mad and I was the one full of positive vision for the future of South Africa. Having left South Africa in 2005 I was there for 11 years in the so-called new South Africa.


I lived in SA for over 20 years. I understand you went there as a tourist and bought the t-shirt. You live in London, if Africa is so awesome why don’t you live there?
That is my main question to you.

You conveniently left out a key word. The question was *secure* serviced apartments.


Maybe I spent too much time in Africa as this is how most African governments react.


52 murders a day (and that is with media control) in South Africa. Tell me where in London you had a crime scene where it involved 15 people in military attire using R5 rifles ? Just quote me one …. ?


So why do you live in London if you can have this life in *paradise* in SA ?

If you take a R15 k gross salary what purchase value do you think that will offer in SA to buy your own home ?


Do you happen to know what that amount is? Please explain why anyone would want to consider moving to SA to start a business when they must invest I think it is R2 million in the country and then they are not allowed to take the money they in the business back out should they want to at a later stage? Have your friends given 51 % of their businesses to local black people?

So you agree that SA in not a safe place.

You obviously work for some human rights organisation.

Cheers

Campbells

You make it sound like there was this magic wand. Poof, your white and in South Africa, open a business and employ a few black slaves, easy as that. That was the basis for every business in South Africa that made profit.

My wife actually started her first business in 1999 and I in 1995, post apartheid rule.

So if South Africa has moved on from slave labour etc etc and the cost of living is fantastic in SA why then is there still millions of homeless black people under black ANC rule ? Why is the unemployment at 40% ? Why is there starving children there?

Don’t you agree that there are just far too many street children running around in SA with no home, no food, and no clothes? You must have seen this when you did your tours in SA?

Opening a business in SA:-

Don’t you think that under black ANC rule they should stop their bad business ethics and stop pouring money into a sinking ship like SAA simply because they are competing on an international arena where customers can pick & chose the airline they wish to fly on merit not based on some affirmative action plan?


I did a lot of work with SAA and the problems the BEE (racial preferencing employment programme) has created in terms of staff and performance (lack of actually) as staff were getting hired due to their race not on their skills and once in their employment SAA could not fire most of the non-performing workers as the many of the workers don’t understand that they are expected to perform. They have been told that they have a right to have this job because they come from a previously disadvantaged history (white slavery). SAA was rated No 3 in the world in the 80s and was a profitable business.

The latest reports say that SAA is considering cutting on-board meals and re-trenching some 1000 workers and the SA government is pouring billions of Rands into a non-profitable business.

I didn’t hear any mention of improving their service offering which is what customers with options will consider.

So looking at South Africa competing on an international business scale such as this example where obviously the racial preferencing employment programmes are actually detrimental to the business what message would you say this is sending out to potential international investors maybe considering between China and South Africa.

Where does SAA rate now in terms a global operating business

sa2oz

I am South African by birth and miss certain aspects of the country.
I think i is sad that the Campbells whist not even beng South African seem to be so very concerned with the country affter making a future elsewhere.
South Africa is not for everybody, some people reckon they love the excitement and flux, many foreigners in fact. it just got to much for me. most people find it a friendly interesting country, I wont delve intot eh negatives as you have heard much of that.
Do it successfully you ask?
Firstly be open minded about the way things work. Very slowly in government, but pretty quick elsewhere.
If you have your own business in the right industry you can still make plenty of money there. Be aware of the fact that a little money can often grease a wheel, but dont be blatant about it. People returning there for holidays from Australia say building is booming, shops are busy, their friends are making good money and living well.
Dont bother trying to get a job at a big company or government type place becuase if you are not a black South African, you will struggle.
Make sure you are vigilant at all times about security and you will be OK.
Get a good medical aid, and if you have children try to get them into private or church run schools.
Good luck and all the best if you do go.

6000

Come into SA on a tourist visa and then use your SA partner to get a life partner visa. Use an agent to do all the work for you (cheap and straightforward). I can recommend a good one in Cape Town - PM me if you're interested. My permanent residency took 15 months, but I didn't need to renew anything at any point. As soon as you apply for permanent residency, you are covered for 24 months as long as you continue to reside with your SA partner.

Loving SA and all it has to offer. Just this weekend, I took my little son to the mountains, to the beach and for a crawl around and picnic in the local vineyard. You can't do that in many places in the world.

Later today, I'm off to Khayelitsha to the TB Clinic there. Campbells would have you believe that I won't make it out of the townships alive. But I've done it hundreds of times before. And ...gasp... I'm ...gasp... white.

Campbells

I was a South African citizen and lived there for over 20 years. I considered SA my home . BTW – you too have made a future elsewhere, you are safely in Australia . According to you because of BEE etc.

The negative reasons are the ones why you left. Gee, such a patriotic person.

Define *open minded*, you mean become brainwashed ?

If you have your business in the right industry you can make it anywhere in the world.
The wheel-greasing, that’s the first part of the brain-washing, just accept it and become it.

And peacefully & safe? That’s why they are all going back to Australia or wherever they have moved to just like you.

So South Africa still suffers from racism.

If you don’t you will be either dead or raped in which case HIV infected.

Luck is playing poker; personally I don’t play poker with the lives of my wife and son.

Campbells

Hey, they still got armed guards ( with pump action shotguns) at all the supermarkets . Can’t do that in many places in the world too.

BTW, New Zealand has some spectacular beaches and some nice vineyards ( okay not the Franshoek) and the nice thing about them is I feel totally comfortable with my wife going for a walk on the beach on her own after dark. Priceless …

We lived in CT for a year and yes, sure it is stunning, but …………….

Hey, I am sure you have been to townships hundreds of times and got out alive. Personally I wouldn’t continue taking that risk but hey, you know better than me, after all you have been in Africa a couple of years now.

Rick b

Perhaps you provoke too many assumptions by your arrogant bullying style.............

You were the thatone person!! Wow. Thank you for showing your self importance to everyone. Obviously your business was a failure and you had to leave. or am I assuming too much...................................

Not very good at reading are you? I said I live 3-4 months of the year in Harare. I was in SA (and often go to SA) to meet friends. Obviously I wear a bullet proof vest and carry an SA80 into the war zone that you describe...............I might have not lived in SA, I know plenty who do and they certainly do not paint such a negative picture as you.

Oh, I am so sorry. Therefore are you:

1) Saying there is not a single secure serviced apartment in or around Jo'Burg?
or
2) Saying you don't know of any?

Either way - why did you answer the thread? Let someone else do it.

By arrogant bullying? Perhaps in Idi Amins Africa. Maybe you should go and live in the Congo - might suit you.


Well obviously that happens every other day in SA doesn't it. Again - never denyed there was a problem with crime. But the fact is if you are careful and you take precautions you can live safetly and have a good life. Most of those 52 murders are not committed in any of the places where people who are going to live when coming from Britain. You know it and I know it.

Already been down this one.


As with the passport thing you got wrong and then didn't answer (with regards to duel nationality) if you actually look at the legislation you can take out the money.

And who is assuming now? I do not work for a human rights organisation. Although the way you phrased that obviously shows your distaste for them................

The fact is you are an arrogant bully boy who shouts down anyone who disagree's with him. It's a common thing on the Internet. If you were less agressive to people but still giving the same message - no one would mind, but it does show considering I have several PM's and rep comments agreeing and saying well done for calling you out.

Perhaps you don't realise yourself what an agressive bully you are.

Rick b

Case in point of rude and agressive post from Campbell.

6000

No. Seen that once. No worse than Heathrow.


And I bet you never dared go near one of them. No wonder you're so scared of "African Life" You haven't a clue what it is!

Disgusting.

Thank god this country is rid of you. People like you moving away is actually solving the problems, bit by bit. I don't agree with Terror Lekota, but maybe he'd met you... in which case - fair play to the man.

6000

If New Zealand is so "awesome", how come you can't stop talking about South Africa on here? Smacks to me of desperation for trying to justify your move.
Well - you did it. You moved. Close the door. Move on.



Bye!

Miss Eck

Well said! No if only I could give you Karma.