African Crisis
Aug 17th 2005, 1:11 pm
#16
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Re: African Crisis
Hi pdohr
I noticed you live in Rio. I would be interested in your opinions about Brazil as I am considering living there....although I do have certain reservations.
Would be interested in your thoughts and opinions
I noticed you live in Rio. I would be interested in your opinions about Brazil as I am considering living there....although I do have certain reservations.
Would be interested in your thoughts and opinions
Aug 18th 2005, 11:37 am
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by eliscolin
Hi pdohr
I noticed you live in Rio. I would be interested in your opinions about Brazil as I am considering living there....although I do have certain reservations.
Would be interested in your thoughts and opinions
I noticed you live in Rio. I would be interested in your opinions about Brazil as I am considering living there....although I do have certain reservations.
Would be interested in your thoughts and opinions
Best thing, you compile a list of items you want information about...
I´ll be looking out for your message on the "Rest of the World" column...
Cheers...
Aug 28th 2005, 2:36 am
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by izibear
Pablo, I've found that apologists for the new and not improved S.A. would rather throw ad hominens around than actually discuss the facts.
Throwing up a list stating that S.A. has one of the top telescopes in the world, or that Stellenbosch developed a microsatellite will surely resolve S.A.'s huge problems which are all courtsey of the current administration and the sheeple who are letting themselves be led to the slaughter.
Throwing up a list stating that S.A. has one of the top telescopes in the world, or that Stellenbosch developed a microsatellite will surely resolve S.A.'s huge problems which are all courtsey of the current administration and the sheeple who are letting themselves be led to the slaughter.
Man, I love reading your and Pablo's posts
This one was especially interesting to me as I was involved in getting the gov grant for this "big telescope" whilst my husband was involved in the upgraded design of it. What people don't realise is that SA owns so little of this telescope that it's basically a foreign telescope on SA soil, NOT a SAcan telescope at all. In fact SA has so whittled down it's science & development budget that it can not even afford their small part of the upkeep of this telescope and have started downgrading all the other telescopes on the sites' maintenance & development in order to fund this one huge telescope. The ANC caved in on the building of it because of their appaling treatment of science per se in SA -they were told that allowing this 10m telescope to be built would show the world their "commitment" to science, whilst they were all the while busy sneaking their sangomas & traditional stories in the back door of the education department. I know what the schools science curriculum in SA comprises of and can guarantee you that it will not be a future nation of great scientists or mathematicians. Anyone who thinks that traditional stories should be taught instead of science cannot expect to raise a nation of scientists. Anyone who puts sangomas, who use human tissue & body part and chanting in their "medicine", on par with a trained herbalist, doctor or specialist, isn't really concerned about real science at all. I think though, that we have to be a bit sorry for people like Sweet Chilli as they are obviously the people who cannot leave and it must be driving them nuts that we could and did leave.
I have a sister in law who recently told me that she "didn't care" about all the rapes and crime because it didn't affect her personally. When challenged on her uncaring attitude she said;" I can't leave, what do you expect me to do?" I think this lies at the heart of the problem. They cannot leave & so they rant & rave at those of us who can. They cannot leave & so they try to pull the wool over people's eyes in order to try and get them back so that they don't feel so very alone anymore. They DO say that misery loves company.....
Aug 28th 2005, 2:53 am
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by pdohr
just came across this website: http://www.africancrisis.org/Home.asp
I´ve never been in South Africa and can´t assess whether the information
on this site is authentic or not.. But if it is, then anyone wanting to
emigrate to SAR must be a nutter... uuuuurrrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!
I´ve never been in South Africa and can´t assess whether the information
on this site is authentic or not.. But if it is, then anyone wanting to
emigrate to SAR must be a nutter... uuuuurrrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!
Aug 28th 2005, 10:06 pm
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by pdohr
just came across this website: http://www.africancrisis.org/Home.asp
I´ve never been in South Africa and can´t assess whether the information
on this site is authentic or not.. But if it is, then anyone wanting to
emigrate to SAR must be a nutter... uuuuurrrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!
I´ve never been in South Africa and can´t assess whether the information
on this site is authentic or not.. But if it is, then anyone wanting to
emigrate to SAR must be a nutter... uuuuurrrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!
By the same token who would want to live in Brazil? Yesterdays newspaper quoted a figure of 40,000 gun deaths! a year Policemen shooting street children! Like South Africa, Brazil is a huge country but people like yourself still live there and I presume have normal lives.
A bit of the kettle calling the pot black.
Aug 29th 2005, 6:21 pm
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by izibear
Amazing that us South Africans who lived there for decades, most only leaving recently, don't know what life is like over there. We only post 'ignorant crap'. What is weird, is that we are all wrong, and you are the only one who is right hm?
There are only two explanations for your obvious attempts of trying to paint the ever-so-rosy picture. You are making MONEY out of the poor saps who move there, or number two, you are a disinformation officer for the ANC, who we know, love to visit sites where ex-South Africans hang out. There can be no other.
There are only two explanations for your obvious attempts of trying to paint the ever-so-rosy picture. You are making MONEY out of the poor saps who move there, or number two, you are a disinformation officer for the ANC, who we know, love to visit sites where ex-South Africans hang out. There can be no other.
Aug 29th 2005, 11:07 pm
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by Piccolo
By the same token who would want to live in Brazil? Yesterdays newspaper quoted a figure of 40,000 gun deaths! a year Policemen shooting street children! Like South Africa, Brazil is a huge country but people like yourself still live there and I presume have normal lives.
A bit of the kettle calling the pot black.
A bit of the kettle calling the pot black.
2 weeks)... Had enough of this.. and that´s why I can understand so well
what´s going on in South Africa!
I only hope I´ve helped to open the eyes of people who think about emigrating
to SA or Brazil...
Aug 31st 2005, 8:38 am
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by G'Day
This is why those of us who have recently left get so annoyed at those who try to pretend all is hunky dory. SA is a VERY, very dangerous place and anyone who encourages someone to immigrate there, especially someone from a first world country who cannot conceive of the kind of dangers they will face in SA, is a very reckless and heartless person.
I think things will really start to get difficult there when the ANC starts to be outflanked on the political left - probably by some populist leader who combines the rhetoric of Mugabe and Winnie Mandela, and promises the poor and dispossessed an end to all their troubles.
As with elsewhere in Africa, the target of this rhetoric will be the Whites and Indians - just as the Nazis found it convenient to blame the rich Jews for everything.
Mugabe has already made threatening noises about the Indians in Zimbabwe, and the Indians have also been attacked in Malawi, and of course in Uganda... .and at various times in SA too, especially in Natal.
Already in SA we can see signs of a populist anti-ANC movement. All they need is a charismatic leader. Zuma perhaps? What has he got to lose? I fear that people will look back on Mbeki as a golden age compared with what's coming. I hope I'm wrong, but the signs are there.
A friend of mine was over in Ireland this weekend, and ran into a couple of SA doctors. They reminded me of what I have heard elsewhere, that the health services in SA are collapsing - and not only the state-run sector, but the private sector too. Doctors and nurses are leaving in droves. Working conditions are deteriorating. Medical aid costs are soaring, and there is a growing brain-drain of medical skills.
Pablo
Aug 31st 2005, 9:52 am
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by Pablo
I think when you're *outside* you often get a better feel for what's going on than when you're inside. When you're living in a well-run First World country you can see how insane and destructive some of the ANC's policies really are.
I think things will really start to get difficult there when the ANC starts to be outflanked on the political left - probably by some populist leader who combines the rhetoric of Mugabe and Winnie Mandela, and promises the poor and dispossessed an end to all their troubles.
As with elsewhere in Africa, the target of this rhetoric will be the Whites and Indians - just as the Nazis found it convenient to blame the rich Jews for everything.
Mugabe has already made threatening noises about the Indians in Zimbabwe, and the Indians have also been attacked in Malawi, and of course in Uganda... .and at various times in SA too, especially in Natal.
Already in SA we can see signs of a populist anti-ANC movement. All they need is a charismatic leader. Zuma perhaps? What has he got to lose? I fear that people will look back on Mbeki as a golden age compared with what's coming. I hope I'm wrong, but the signs are there.
A friend of mine was over in Ireland this weekend, and ran into a couple of SA doctors. They reminded me of what I have heard elsewhere, that the health services in SA are collapsing - and not only the state-run sector, but the private sector too. Doctors and nurses are leaving in droves. Working conditions are deteriorating. Medical aid costs are soaring, and there is a growing brain-drain of medical skills.
Pablo
I think things will really start to get difficult there when the ANC starts to be outflanked on the political left - probably by some populist leader who combines the rhetoric of Mugabe and Winnie Mandela, and promises the poor and dispossessed an end to all their troubles.
As with elsewhere in Africa, the target of this rhetoric will be the Whites and Indians - just as the Nazis found it convenient to blame the rich Jews for everything.
Mugabe has already made threatening noises about the Indians in Zimbabwe, and the Indians have also been attacked in Malawi, and of course in Uganda... .and at various times in SA too, especially in Natal.
Already in SA we can see signs of a populist anti-ANC movement. All they need is a charismatic leader. Zuma perhaps? What has he got to lose? I fear that people will look back on Mbeki as a golden age compared with what's coming. I hope I'm wrong, but the signs are there.
A friend of mine was over in Ireland this weekend, and ran into a couple of SA doctors. They reminded me of what I have heard elsewhere, that the health services in SA are collapsing - and not only the state-run sector, but the private sector too. Doctors and nurses are leaving in droves. Working conditions are deteriorating. Medical aid costs are soaring, and there is a growing brain-drain of medical skills.
Pablo
Aug 31st 2005, 4:16 pm
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Re: African Crisis
PDHOR...I have sent you a PM.
Aug 31st 2005, 6:12 pm
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by G'Day
Well, they've certainly lost us.
Good riddance..
Aug 31st 2005, 8:30 pm
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by stormer
Good riddance..
Aug 31st 2005, 8:31 pm
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by G'Day
Oooh, I see the mod has been very busy. Have you lot been getting nasty?
Sep 1st 2005, 7:11 am
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by Numpty
Us? Nooooo!!! Certainly not!!
Sep 6th 2005, 8:50 am
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Re: African Crisis
Originally Posted by Pablo
A friend of mine was over in Ireland this weekend, and ran into a couple of SA doctors. They reminded me of what I have heard elsewhere, that the health services in SA are collapsing - and not only the state-run sector, but the private sector too. Doctors and nurses are leaving in droves. Working conditions are deteriorating. Medical aid costs are soaring, and there is a growing brain-drain of medical skills.
Pablo
Pablo
From News24.co.za web site:
"SA tops in private health care
Aug 15 2005 02:46:00:000PM
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